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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and

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is now in the possession of the army if

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the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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threat

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from outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening all right fade to block

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for the

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masses yeah how you doing today is

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march 15 2021.

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74 days into the new year

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only 291 days left

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happy you do it i hope you had a great

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about that in just a second but we are

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somewhere in the middle of beautiful

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downtown burbank california and i would

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like to welcome everybody listening all

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the united states hither and tether to

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network and kgra

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the planet i am your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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all right we've got an another amazing

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lined up in front of us and and

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to get through this week what an amazing

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and i also know what's coming up over

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couple of weeks wow

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wow and i mean what an amazing week

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and uh kicking off tonight the one

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the only lee spiegel lee spiegel is here

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we are going to discuss

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why he has not talked to me for the last

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that's what we're gonna do tonight

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because he worked on the phenomenon and

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uh i might mention this to lee i

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uh it was it was it was about three

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years ago maybe a little longer but

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right in there

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and i'm having a conversation with lee

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i said uh so dude uh uh can i get you on

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the show in a couple of weeks

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he goes nope i said okay a week after

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nope a week after that

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lee let's look at the calendar let's nah

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and i'm gonna be out of it uh

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was like get at

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what and sure enough so that movie was

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the phenomenon and we're going to be

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talking about that tonight

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lee has sent me some really cool

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of uh phenomenon so i've got those

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and so that's tonight lee spiegel is

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lots of other things of course

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have lee back on the show he goes back

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to the very very beginnings

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of fade to black and it's very special

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back with us tomorrow night stephen

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is here and a lot of developments that

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he's out there pushing things forward

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um we last had stephen on the show

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right after the election uh back in

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and uh agreed to get stephen back on the

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to start to set this tone for 2021

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and what we can expect and we're already

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of march so tomorrow night another great

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and then wednesday night first time

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guest

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very important gentleman attorney james

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lowe is here and james

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is going to be talking about the uap

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that is being prepared for the senate

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intelligence committee

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he has written a new book which i have

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that will be distributed limited

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um in front of the

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task force report and i'm going to leave

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it right there

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it's going to be an amazing conversation

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uh with everybody wednesday night

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attorney james lowe and then of course

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is another fader night with open lines

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all night long

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all right now um we just came off of

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an amazing weekend uh we hung out

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uh friday night uh with uh some friends

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uh that i can't really say a whole lot

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at this point but uh there were

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some researchers and experiencers that

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gathered privately uh here in southern

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california

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and rita and i were invited out to go

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and have dinner and hang out with

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everybody so we did that friday night

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and it was really cool we posted out a

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couple of pictures

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but because of uh the story behind this

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and what is actually going on

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it's not really cool uh to do a whole

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lot of disclosure

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there but that was friday night uh

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saturday we had a birthday in the family

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happy birthday elise um and so that went

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and it's funny you know you get those

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memories in facebook

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and uh they pop up and sherida popped up

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you know today and there was elise at

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her first birthday party with her first

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birthday cake

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and i posted that picture seven years

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ago where does the time go

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i have no idea she has grown up

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she's grown up man she's

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she doesn't need high school or college

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she's she's good to go at eight

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she's she's got it all figured out man

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she has got it all figured out happy

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birthday elise and

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um and then yesterday we had a little

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stuff that were up and it was a great

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um and i'm just gonna say uh thank you

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to some very close friends of ours of

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course eric awakening man

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uh brad and michelle uh came by with

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their son jonah

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and uh lisa frith and uh

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rita and myself and then wolf mccarron

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and uh what a what a great day uh i

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three dinners yeah

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and so there you go i'm bright-eyed and

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bushy-tailed today um

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so there you go i hope i didn't leave

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anybody off

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of the our little guest list yesterday

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but i think that was it

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and uh nurse nancy i hope you're

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listening uh we missed you

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um but uh uh we did uh toast in your

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honor

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so and and that's to be expected okay

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all right where am i at

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okay i just posted this today let me uh

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get this

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out there and uh yeah

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you had a gathering the coved cops are

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i think we're kind of over that now i am

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i'm just over it i want people to start

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getting back together that's

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it that's it now we need to force this

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herd thing

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but uh and because of that i posted

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now i want to be very clear on what is

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with our conference schedule heading out

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for the rest of the year

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uh normally we do uh eight conferences a

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uh pretty much one every month one every

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other month for the entire year

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um obviously we couldn't do that in 2021

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we made the decision a couple of months

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ago that

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um uh everything moving forward

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after the conscious life expo because

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that was a very important event and that

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happened back in february but that we

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we just want to do in-person conferences

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that's

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stone okay it's it's really that simple

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i will be at the ufo megacon

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with the fade to black crew and rita and

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everybody else

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i will be at the ufo megacon june 6th

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through the 12th in laughlin nevada

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okay this is an in person conference

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um come and hang out with us for real

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in person live human beings

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that's right a real conference is

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happening this

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june it's june 6th through the 12th

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um and a couple of things of note

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there are only 250

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tickets being sold for this event okay

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and that is regulations in the hotel and

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everything else

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that's it 250 tickets you

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need to go we have a chance here

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everybody

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a fade to black conference 250 tickets

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that's it

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conference and right now because there's

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only 250 tickets being sold it's only

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the full seven days

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is being sold that's it it's gonna sell

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out it's gonna sell out now

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and the tickets are inexpensive for

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seven days and

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the hotel is in extent inexpensive for

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seven days

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the cost of one week at this hotel is

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the cost of one night

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at any other hotel and i'm being very

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serious here so this is a real

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conference

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it's in laughlin nevada 250 tickets

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we have the chance here to make sure

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that that place is

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flooded with fade to black t-shirts

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we're going to be doing everything sky

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watches seven-day conference

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okay we've got uh danny sheehan's gonna

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be there's off the top of my head

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danny sheehan sean stone billy carson

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uh johnny enoch uh

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richard dolan uh

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and just go and look at the conference

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list i posted it up today

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head over get the tickets there's only

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250.

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that is it that's it that's it this

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isn't a sales pitch

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there's only 250. okay so

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i will see everybody there june 6th

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through the 12th in laughlin nevada

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later on this year

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also in laughlin nevada we will be

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at the works conference that's paula

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harris's conference

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and that is in november same hotel

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laughlin nevada okay all right are we

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clear on all of this that's it that's it

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we are going to do

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our part to push this in person we got

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to bring it back man

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we got to bring it back i'm itching

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especially after this weekend had such a

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great time

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seeing people people

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gotta get this back man all right

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all right let's see

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[Music]

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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also

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uh today it happened

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and uh you know i'm here in the bunker

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and i'm working

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and and getting the show prepared and i

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headed over to youtube to get stuff done

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for the show tonight and there it was

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100 000 subscribers

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on youtube so and it was just strange

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to see that number there i want to thank

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all of you everybody that's on youtube

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right now you guys

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rock okay every one of you thank you

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okay to see that i mean it is just um

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and this is what's cool we have all of

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our syndication and all of our things

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that

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out every single day and youtube

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is right there it does its own thing

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thank you um wow

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wow just thank you thank you that's uh

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that's a measure of success

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uh for for anybody we know what youtube

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is and subscriber counts and all of that

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stuff

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but to see that number 100k it's uh

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wow so just thank you that's all i've

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got

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from rita and i everybody here at fade

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to black thank you

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and and and i i can't i can't stress it

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enough how much i mean it

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let's move on to the breaking news the

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vatican

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now okay i could not

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i had to read this story a few times

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today

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and just and go to a few other news just

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to make sure

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i was reading it and understanding it

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correctly

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but here it is the vatican

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said it cannot bless same-sex

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marriages saying that god does not

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and cannot bless sin

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end quote couldn't believe my eyes

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in a statement issued on today

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the vatican says it does not have the

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power to bless

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same-sex unions nor do its priests have

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the power to bless homosexual couples

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who ask for religious recognition

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of their marriages the negative response

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came in a formal response from the

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vatican's uh

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orthodoxy their official

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offices the congregation for the

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doctrine

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of the faith to question about whether

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priests can bless

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gay unions it came in a two-page

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statement which was published in seven

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languages

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and approved by pope francis

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unbelievable i just i'm gonna leave that

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right there

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got some good news though toys r

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us toys r us

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back in the news toys r us

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has found itself in the hands of a new

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owner

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that's right the toy store looks to gain

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a foothold back into

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the retail market new york acquisition

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and investment firm

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whp global announced today that it

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purchased a controlling interest in true

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kids inc the parent company of the toys

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r us

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stores ahead of the holiday season in

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north america

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that can include flagships pop-ups

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airport locations

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many shops inside of other retailers

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and that is some great news

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more than 100 suspected

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street racers have been taken into

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custody in georgia

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after police surrounded them in a

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parking lot and deployed

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spike strips to prevent their escape

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this is a true story this went down

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yesterday the clayton county sheriff's

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office

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says the arrests happen early sunday

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morning following its response to calls

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about cars performing stunts outside of

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sam's club store

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in morrow near atlanta a total of 75

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adults were hit with charges including

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loitering prowling and possession of a

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firearm

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uh after being under the age of 18 while

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the parents

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of 27 juveniles

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were charged with curfew violations

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that's right that's right the kids don't

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get charged

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not janja no the parents do

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that's a long night at the house man 48

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vehicles were impounded and four

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firearms were seized and that is your

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breaking news

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let's get the show cracking happy

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birthday to today

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one of my favorite actresses francis

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conroy

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today is 68 of course she played ruth

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on six feet under she's amazing d

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snyder daniel daniel d

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snyder d snyder today 66 years old

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poisons brett michaels today

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is 58 sugar ray's mark mcgrath

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is 53 and you love sugar a

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i don't care how heavy metal you are you

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love every morning

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fly what was that other

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someday you love those songs

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53 years old foo fighters

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i remember uh as you notice uh with d

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snyder i didn't say twisted sisters d

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snyder

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everybody knows d but i did say poisons

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brett michaels i felt a little straight

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bit

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sugar raised mark mcgrath didn't do that

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for d

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don't have to don't have to um

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i was going to say mark mcgrath

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back in the day right sugar ray

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is like it and this is like

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1990 i'm gonna go i'm gonna go 98

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like right in there i'm not too sure on

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the date but

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i know where i was working around 98.

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and

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i wind up i've got a co-worker with me

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and

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to meet

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people in beverly hills at some place

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and it was

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i want to say it was at like a shopping

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center my memory was right but we were

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downstairs

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uh waiting for our car to valet

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and i'm standing there and and it's just

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us and up walks mark mcgrath

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that's the nudist valet ticket and i'm

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like

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dude right i probably didn't even know

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his name

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he was the nicest guy hung out

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talked to him and i think he even danced

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a little bit might have even sang

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he's a really cool dude i'll never bag

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on mark mcgrath

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uh so there you go all right our dead

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guy's birthday today is a reef

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martin 1932 to 2006 down at the age of

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73

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a reef was one of the greatest producers

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in history there's no question about it

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and what he did with barry gibb

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discovered his falsetto

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he's the dude he's the one responsible

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for

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he that's him that's him his credits too

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long to mention but

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include carly simon petula clark

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bette midler barbra streisand right

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diana ross queen patti labelle aretha

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franklin

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lulu anita baker judy collins phil

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collins

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culture club roberta flack average white

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man

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holland oates george benson melissa

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manchester the manhattan

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transfer the modern jazz quartet

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willie nelson leo sayer dusty

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springfield

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david bowie and jewel

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and of course the bg's but one of the

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best

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a reef died at his home in new york on

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july 25 2006 following a lengthy battle

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with pancreatic cancer

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he was just 73 years old happy birthday

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our reef

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on this day in history otd 44 bc

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it went down the ides of march not the

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band

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julius caesar dictator of rome is

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stabbed to death in the roman senate

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by 60 conspirators led by

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marcus brutus fader fact

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that's a good one vader fact in 1938

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wrong way corrigan was supposed to

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supposed to fly from new york to

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california

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when he took off everybody's watching

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he takes off makes a u-turn back into

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the clouds

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and disappeared 28 hours later

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wrong way corrigan

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let's not forget the character named

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wrong way

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feldman who showed up on two

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he made a u-turn too wound up on the

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island

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with the rest of the castaways yeah true

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00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:11,200
story

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00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:14,799
lee spiegel is here

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00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,919
to discuss the making of the phenomenon

538
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:19,360
where he has been for the last three

539
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years but he's back tomorrow night

540
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,960
stephen bassett is here we're going to

541
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:24,559
be discussing disclosure

542
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,600
what's what's going to go on in 2021 yep

543
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and then wednesday night attorney james

544
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lowe

545
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,799
is here he's uh just finished a new book

546
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,080
i got the advanced

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00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:37,679
copy it's a limited distribution book

548
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,640
and it is a handbook for the uap task

549
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:42,159
force report

550
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:44,159
that will be given to the senate later

551
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:46,320
on in june

552
00:27:52,310 --> 00:27:49,360
this book will be distributed i'll let

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00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:52,320
james tell everybody about it and why uh

554
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:52,640
to

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of the reports release thursday's

556
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another fader night with open lines

557
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all night long and i yapped so much

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tonight um i wanted to

559
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uh i'll save it for ah it doesn't matter

560
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,360
it's just another yapping

561
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another flapping of the jaws but i

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wanted to

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go back and relive uh a story

564
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that steve murillo um uh

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told me one night and

566
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i don't know where steve and i were the

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first time he told the story

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but we were we were at a gathering

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and it doesn't matter where it was

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but he tells me then it was this long

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ago

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he tells me about when he was out in the

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desert doing

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his uh a sky watch that he was invited

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to by some

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other people for the first time and

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he was having a conversation with

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somebody they were outside

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and this person said that he could get

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a ufo to flash

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him with his laser

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he would right and so steve said this

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guy takes out a laser

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and you know three times

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at this ufo and sitting up there

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00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:22,159
this guy said it was beautiful and steve

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said he's standing there and sure enough

588
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:27,600
this thing flashes back boop boop boop

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he doesn't once brute wants

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me twice two

591
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:36,320
steve's blown away and now i'm listening

592
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:38,000
to stephen i'm like come on

593
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:47,110
steve said jimmy i take his laser

594
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:50,240
and he goes no don't do that one that's

595
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:51,200
a ship right there

596
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,080
do that one and so steve you know

597
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:58,880
and it flashes back and steve said he's

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standing out there and god goes don't do

599
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:01,919
it don't do it too much but

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yeah it seems like he's trying to break

601
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up the pattern

602
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one three five and this

603
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:12,480
ship is flashing back and

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the the the way that steve tells

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the story for those out there

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00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,559
as i'm telling the story to you

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there are many out there that listen to

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stop right and then

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you go out and witness it

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and it's mind-blowing and the first time

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uh i had this happen to me

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i was i was out it was myself and rita

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and we were out with melinda leslie and

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75 and and i look and i see you know

615
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:03,279
what's going on above me

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and as i'm looking at this the ship

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moves

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[Music]

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and then it moves from where it moved to

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back to where it was and at that moment

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when you witnessed something like that

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for the first time

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lasers are a trip when you witness

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something like that for the first time

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you're gonna do what probably what i did

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which i

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almost i had to just like put my hands

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on my knees for a second and just like

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take a break

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it was too much how many times have you

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looked up at the sky

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in your life right thousands of times

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you've never seen anything just move in

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front of you

635
00:32:02,789 --> 00:31:59,039
never happened right now

636
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:02,799
we've all done it i watched it

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and i never and and i just go back to to

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steve and him and him telling me

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00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,559
how it affected him and then it turns

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around and it's like you hand the ball

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off

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and you let them go and experience these

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things

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that's what it's like this is fade to

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black i am your host jimmy church

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tonight the one and only lee spiegel is

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here

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be joining us in a couple of minutes

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tomorrow night stephen bassett

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wednesday night attorney james lowe

651
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thursday night is another fader night

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with open lines all night long we've got

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an

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tomorrow night i'm gonna make the

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announcement i'm gonna do an event with

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uh the dark zone

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at the end of this month and it's

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probably up on the dark zone website i

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think it's gonna be ready tomorrow

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but we are going to go and investigate

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[Music]

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an lapd police precinct

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right here in southern california that's

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right that's coming up march

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27th is saturday it's an all weekend

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event i'll be hanging out

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with the team on saturday night going to

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go get my ghost

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on this is fade to black i'm nervous

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and kgra the planet

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

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up

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:00,400
jimmy church

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00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:02,880
tonight the one and only lee spiegel is

777
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:05,839
here tomorrow night stephen bassett

778
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,040
wednesday night attorney james lowe

779
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,520
is here he has written a book to prepare

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00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:14,160
for journalists and capitol hill

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00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:17,760
in advance of the uap task force report

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due to the senate intelligence committee

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00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,520
in june

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and i have got an advanced copy of the

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book just got it

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and we will be discussing all of that in

787
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,880
the preparations for this special report

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00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,800
on wednesday night thursday

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00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,480
is another fader night with open lines

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all night long but tonight

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00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:37,920
lee spiegel returns that's right lee

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the veteran ufo researcher and

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00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:41,599
journalist

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00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:42,800
he's going to be here we're going to

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talk about his latest work as

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00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,000
co-producer and co-writer

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for the film phenomenon that was

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00:38:52,349 --> 00:38:49,680
directed by of course james fox

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we will have some exclusive

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behind-the-scenes images

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00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,320
that lee has took i've got those and

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00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:58,079
i'll be popping them up in twitter for

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00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:59,680
everybody follow me on twitter at j

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00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:02,079
church radio hashtag f2b and you can

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00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:03,520
check out everything that we will

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00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,560
present tonight

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00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,560
and then of course i've got some

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00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,720
historical images too

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00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,800
uh some of them to be seen for the first

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00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:12,079
time right here in fade to block tonight

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so it's going to be great

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00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:16,640
and uh now lee was

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the former host of nbc radio's the edge

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00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,480
of reality

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sound familiar that's right because he

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is now the host of

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edge of reality version 2 right here on

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00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:29,520
kgra

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00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:33,520
and uh he hosted nearly 1500 programs on

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00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:35,839
unexplained and phenomena over eight

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00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:38,000
year period at nbc radio

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00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:40,079
and then he previously also worked at

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00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:42,520
westwood one radio and

824
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:45,280
abcnews.com following his seven years

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00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:47,359
with abc news he joined the popular

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00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:50,960
weird news team at aolnews.com

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00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:53,680
and then aol merged with the huffington

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00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,000
post and spiegel continued

829
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:58,079
with the company writing all kinds of

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00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,160
stories and even one

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of yours truly yeah i remember that

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00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,400
phone call

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00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:07,440
so does lee we'll get to that in just a

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second

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and uh he is the only person in the

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history

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00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,720
to produce in 1978 a major presentation

838
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:16,560
at the united nation on the subject of

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ufos

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00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,040
and of course he currently hosts the

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00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,119
edge of reality on kgra

842
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,119
would like to welcome back lee spiegel

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00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:25,119
lee good evening my man how you doing

844
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:26,960
well thank you mr church how are you

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doing tonight i'm doing

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i'm doing better now that you're here

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00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,760
finally

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00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,440
you know it's so so weird because i

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realized you know every

850
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,480
i probably say your name more than i say

851
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:40,720
anybody else's name

852
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:44,160
in my current life every thursday

853
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:47,920
oh man at the end of my show on kgra

854
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:50,880
i always say up next fader night with

855
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:51,440
jimmy

856
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,280
get i can't get around it

857
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:58,240
man you saying that just warms my heart

858
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:58,720
man

859
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:01,760
that just just just saying that and

860
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:05,119
now um okay lee we've got so much to

861
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,160
discuss tonight

862
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:08,720
and i've got here in my notes i've got

863
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,440
one note

864
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,680
and we're gonna get to this uh everybody

865
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,920
this is my preparation for lee spiegel

866
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:15,680
i'm just gonna let you guys know this is

867
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:16,160
it

868
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:19,760
blank page lee spiegel les paul okay so

869
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:20,240
um

870
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,839
that's my preparation for the show

871
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:23,520
tonight lee and we're gonna get to les

872
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,040
paul in a second

873
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,839
um i want to go back and you may not

874
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:29,520
remember this but

875
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,640
you and i had a phone call i mentioned

876
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:34,240
this in the warm-up to the show

877
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:37,040
and it was three years ago and you were

878
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:38,720
going through some transitions and there

879
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,560
were things going on and we were talking

880
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,680
about that

881
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,920
and uh we don't need to get into those

882
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:45,200
details but

883
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:48,240
i said to you then i said lee um i want

884
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:49,520
to get you on the show in a couple of

885
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:50,800
weeks and he said

886
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:53,280
i can't jimmy i'm busy and i said okay

887
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:54,160
well

888
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:57,520
the week after no jimmy i'm busy i said

889
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:00,319
well lee okay let's look at the calendar

890
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:03,280
what are you doing in a month busy dude

891
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,480
jimmy

892
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:06,480
i'm working on a screenplay and i'm

893
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:08,240
gonna get back to me in a couple of

894
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:09,440
years

895
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:15,200
yeah you know do you remember do you

896
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,000
remember that phone

897
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,280
call i i remember not doing any

898
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:21,119
interviews at that point because i was

899
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:21,680
working

900
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,119
on uh partially doing the script

901
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:28,079
for the phenomenon and and i was also

902
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:28,720
gathering

903
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,839
2017

904
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:33,839
three years ago well it's almost four

905
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,240
years now yeah yeah um

906
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,880
we were still we were still about three

907
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:40,720
years away from completion

908
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:43,599
of the phenomenon and one of the things

909
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:44,480
that i had to do

910
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:48,800
was basically i i had to transcribe

911
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:51,760
every single word in that hour and 40

912
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:53,280
minute presentation

913
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,319
took me months to do uh because the

914
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:58,960
the distribution company wanted to

915
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,680
perhaps

916
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:01,040
translate the movie into different

917
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:02,240
languages and they were going to

918
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,440
outsource

919
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,599
the the narration and all the talking

920
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:07,440
heads to some other

921
00:43:12,710 --> 00:43:10,400
place to do that the what they said was

922
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:12,720
going to be a credible trends a trans

923
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,200
transaction transcription and i said to

924
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:17,520
james fox no let me do it

925
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,640
because not only am i a writer but i'm

926
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:22,560
also with huffington post i'm a really

927
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,079
good copy editor

928
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,119
and and i can spot things if an eye

929
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,040
has not been dotted or t has not been

930
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:31,520
crossed grammatical problems

931
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:34,319
bad spellings typos you don't want to

932
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,040
give this

933
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,440
anybody to someone who doesn't

934
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:39,520
understand how to do that

935
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,200
it's got to be done perfectly the first

936
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:43,520
time and and james said

937
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,880
do you have the time to do it and i said

938
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:46,720
yeah i i do

939
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:49,119
because i want it to get done the way it

940
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,319
should get done

941
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,800
total credibility so that took me a long

942
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:55,040
time to do and i was trying not to focus

943
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:56,400
on on anything else

944
00:44:03,109 --> 00:43:59,839
at that point so i apologize

945
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:03,119
i didn't mean it yeah four years

946
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:05,520
um but you know what water under the

947
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,240
bridge lee

948
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:08,480
water under the bridge this is the the

949
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:09,440
thing

950
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:13,200
um back then um as you know

951
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:17,440
uh james was leaking to me

952
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,480
scenes from the film and and getting my

953
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,800
comments on it and i

954
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,640
i had james on the show a couple of

955
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,720
times and it was you know this thing and

956
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:28,960
we couldn't discuss a lot of it

957
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:32,880
but i saw and and told james on the air

958
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,240
many times holy crap you know if you

959
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,160
keep your foot on the gas

960
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:40,160
this is going to be cinematically

961
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,200
beautiful

962
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:43,839
and he's got the challenges of his

963
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,960
previous work

964
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:47,119
which was already great right out of the

965
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,880
blue right i know what i saw

966
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:51,359
two tremendous documentaries that are

967
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:52,000
held

968
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,280
in such high regard and we had waited

969
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:57,200
for this and waited and waited but i

970
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:58,079
knew

971
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,280
how good it could be now here we are now

972
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:03,359
the film is a success and

973
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:06,480
and and it's great but did you know uh

974
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,480
four years ago as you were seeing this

975
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,319
come together that you would

976
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:12,640
uh eventually get this kind of success

977
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:13,760
out of the film

978
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:16,800
well the only reason why i said yes to

979
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:17,760
james

980
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:20,319
initially was because i had been

981
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,680
involved with some other previous

982
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:22,800
documentaries

983
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:26,880
about ufos some where i was just

984
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:30,400
a talking head on screen one one

985
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,680
in particular i think it was called

986
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:34,160
aliens on the moon the truth comes out

987
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,720
or

988
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:36,400
something like that you had the leather

989
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:39,520
jacket on and i i i had it i remember

990
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:39,920
that

991
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,119
yeah and and a god-awful ugly

992
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:46,079
purple scarf i felt like i felt like

993
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:47,520
prince

994
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:53,520
you were dashing you were dashing don't

995
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,040
don't sew yourself short

996
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:58,400
but okay yeah but um but

997
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:01,040
going back to i mean did you have any

998
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:02,000
idea because

999
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,040
wow this is well yeah i mean

1000
00:46:08,309 --> 00:46:07,200
when i knew that when james first

1001
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:08,319
approached me

1002
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,839
um prior to 2017 and i knew that he was

1003
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:13,520
doing some kind of a follow-up

1004
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,319
to out of the blue and i know what i saw

1005
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,839
i already knew at that point

1006
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,160
if it's going to be his energy and he's

1007
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,079
in charge of it and he has control of it

1008
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:25,040
at least at that point then yeah i would

1009
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:26,319
certainly be crazy

1010
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,680
not to want to get involved and be part

1011
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:29,599
of the team um

1012
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:32,960
but at the time uh i was still

1013
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,079
working for huffpost i was one of their

1014
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:38,319
feature writers i was the only

1015
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,960
main writer uh working for a large

1016
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,240
company like that

1017
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:44,319
writing about ufos and the paranormal

1018
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:45,599
and science

1019
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:49,119
all at the same time and i told james

1020
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:50,720
it would be considered a conflict of

1021
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,480
interest for me to

1022
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,880
write for them and write for you and be

1023
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:56,160
part of your production

1024
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:59,359
so i i said you know if this goes on

1025
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:00,319
long enough

1026
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:01,680
maybe we can work something out in the

1027
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:04,240
future well the the gods decided to show

1028
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:05,119
themselves

1029
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,560
and at some point in 2017 there was this

1030
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,480
thing that happened that huffington post

1031
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,319
was merging with other companies

1032
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,760
and they were they were suddenly having

1033
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:15,680
too many employees doing a lot of the

1034
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:16,720
same jobs

1035
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:19,760
and there was a gigantic layoff

1036
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:22,880
in in the middle of june and i was one

1037
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,319
of the people laid off

1038
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,400
they just didn't think that ufos were

1039
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:28,640
the paranormal or even science

1040
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:31,599
was necessary for huffpost and so i was

1041
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:33,280
called into a room given my walking

1042
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:34,000
papers

1043
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:36,400
went back to my desk while i still had

1044
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,040
the desk

1045
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:40,319
for a few minutes and i called james

1046
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,440
and i said to him um is your invitation

1047
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:45,599
still still good he said why did

1048
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:46,800
something happen and i said yeah i've

1049
00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:47,200
just

1050
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:50,839
to laugh

1051
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,760
uncontrollably i said well okay

1052
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,760
i it's a nice reaction he said no no no

1053
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:57,760
listen no i'm not laughing because you

1054
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:58,480
got laid off

1055
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,599
i'm just happy now for my good fortune

1056
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:04,000
that now now you can say yes and that

1057
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,960
that same day

1058
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,640
is when i started being part of the

1059
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:08,800
phenomenon team i'll never forget

1060
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:12,079
uh you and i talked uh you were

1061
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,760
walking out of the huffington post you

1062
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,280
were heading home

1063
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:17,520
and he said jimmy i'm leaving the

1064
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:19,359
building but

1065
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:22,480
but i'm working on this screenplay and i

1066
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:22,800
was

1067
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:26,720
man it's it's it's all good no

1068
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:29,920
no no no i've now i can i can get this

1069
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,880
done

1070
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:33,119
um at the time i didn't know it was the

1071
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,319
phenomenon

1072
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:37,680
yeah yeah you uh you kept uh you

1073
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,720
you you stayed professional on it i i

1074
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:42,000
had no idea but

1075
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:44,559
here we are today what an incredible

1076
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,280
film

1077
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:47,760
you know we we didn't even have a title

1078
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:48,480
for the film

1079
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,280
for the longest time we were going back

1080
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,280
and forth back and forth originally

1081
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:55,359
in the earlier years when james started

1082
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:56,640
working on the film

1083
00:49:00,630 --> 00:49:00,000
uh the working title was the 701 the 701

1084
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:00,640
right

1085
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:03,359
yeah yeah and and for those in your

1086
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,119
audience who don't know what that means

1087
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:07,760
uh at the end of uh project blue book uh

1088
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,720
the the

1089
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:10,800
united states air force's official ufo

1090
00:49:14,109 --> 00:49:11,839
study

1091
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:14,119
in the 1940s and 50s then it ended in

1092
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:15,680
1969

1093
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:18,319
after going into and researching and

1094
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:19,440
studying

1095
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,559
somewhat like 13 000 reports everything

1096
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:24,079
could be explained away

1097
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:27,599
except 701 reports and it always stayed

1098
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:28,480
that way

1099
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,680
now um and this is where i'm going to do

1100
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:32,880
an interesting

1101
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,400
segway okay um in that uh

1102
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,640
don't worry everybody this is all it all

1103
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,160
ties together

1104
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:42,960
um lee and i were talking uh earlier

1105
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:43,599
today

1106
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,040
and uh found out and

1107
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,359
without getting into the the crazy part

1108
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,880
of the details because that would take

1109
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:53,200
up the rest of the show

1110
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:56,240
um that lee and i have um some very

1111
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:57,119
similar

1112
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:59,839
stories about our childhood and how we

1113
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,240
got

1114
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:03,280
into the game um

1115
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,640
and so everybody knows my story

1116
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,359
many don't in that i talk about it every

1117
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:10,800
night on the air lee so

1118
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:14,319
everybody knows what but but for you

1119
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:18,720
um you started off as a musician

1120
00:50:23,349 --> 00:50:21,359
you worked at a music store i i you you

1121
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:23,359
were at sam ash i was at guitar center

1122
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:24,160
right the two

1123
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:27,760
the two competitors um uh before

1124
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,319
our broadcast careers and and before

1125
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:32,400
ufos took over our lives

1126
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:36,400
and then i'm this is the setup everybody

1127
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,920
so we're exchanging stories and then

1128
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:41,280
earlier tonight

1129
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:44,079
lee started to tell me his les paul

1130
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:45,119
story

1131
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,599
and i stopped you because i saw where

1132
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:49,680
this was going

1133
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:52,800
okay i'm gonna let you go first okay

1134
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,520
tell you what tell me the les paul story

1135
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:57,280
lee

1136
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:01,520
in let's say 1993

1137
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:04,640
i was working for a a

1138
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:07,599
well-known radio production company in

1139
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:08,000
new york

1140
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:11,119
called radio today and we produced a lot

1141
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:12,160
of different

1142
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,960
music programs that were syndicated one

1143
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:16,640
of those shows was called

1144
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,359
the soundtrack of new york and it was

1145
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,880
basically

1146
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,800
all the things of new york that's really

1147
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:24,000
interesting

1148
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:27,599
people

1149
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:30,720
involve the

1150
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:33,839
sounds of new york and

1151
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,800
this show was only produced and

1152
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:38,160
distributed

1153
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:40,880
and syndicated for the people in japan

1154
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,559
they loved everything about new york the

1155
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:43,920
folks in japan

1156
00:51:47,430 --> 00:51:46,480
and so i was always on the lookout for

1157
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:47,440
interesting

1158
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:49,839
things to find someone to do an

1159
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:50,880
interview about

1160
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:53,520
and and also to see can i go someplace

1161
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:54,319
where

1162
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:55,920
i'll be able to get some interesting

1163
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:58,240
sounds

1164
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:01,520
side note the scariest place i ever went

1165
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,400
in capturing the sounds of the city are

1166
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:06,720
you ready for this

1167
00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:09,520
i went down to the world trade center

1168
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:10,319
and i

1169
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:13,440
asked the people who were the owners of

1170
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:14,319
it if

1171
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:16,480
if they would allow me to go up onto the

1172
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:18,640
roof of one of the towers

1173
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:21,680
and to just walk around the top of the

1174
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:22,720
roof

1175
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:25,760
with a recorder and a stereo microphone

1176
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,119
to record what the city sounds like from

1177
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:31,359
the top of the tower wow and and they

1178
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,720
they said yes they

1179
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,400
they had one of their their people take

1180
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,720
me up two or three different elevators

1181
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:38,640
to finally get to like a little door

1182
00:52:44,069 --> 00:52:39,760
that opened up

1183
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:44,079
onto the roof i'm looking across

1184
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:46,000
to the other tower where they had the

1185
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:47,280
giant um

1186
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:50,800
antenna and and

1187
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,000
the first thing that struck me was how

1188
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:56,720
really quiet it was up there really i

1189
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:57,440
wouldn't yeah

1190
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,440
be the opposite it was quiet

1191
00:53:03,940 --> 00:53:03,280
was that a boring recording for the

1192
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:03,950
japanese

1193
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:06,319
[Laughter]

1194
00:53:11,829 --> 00:53:10,079
i hope not i don't hear anything do you

1195
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:11,839
guys hear anything

1196
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:15,359
i mean i went as far

1197
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:18,960
to the edge of the roof as i felt

1198
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:21,040
like i could without being scared or

1199
00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:22,880
dizzy and just kind of

1200
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,760
hung the microphone over the railing to

1201
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,200
get a couple minutes of whatever

1202
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:28,960
sounds were coming up from the ground

1203
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:30,960
right uh up to where i was

1204
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:33,440
the only thing that i actually heard and

1205
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:34,400
felt

1206
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:37,920
was wind up there and

1207
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:40,960
if i stood still and somebody warned me

1208
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,000
ahead of time that this would

1209
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:44,559
happen you could feel the building

1210
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:45,280
moving

1211
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:48,400
yeah that high up yeah and

1212
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:51,520
and you know wow that's incredible i i

1213
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:52,079
couldn't

1214
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:55,440
to get down to

1215
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:58,480
the street as fast as i could in no way

1216
00:54:01,190 --> 00:54:00,000
could i have anticipated

1217
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,200
what was going to happen at that

1218
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,680
location can you i couldn't imagine

1219
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:06,000
yeah so anyway okay so that was paul

1220
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,280
back to you

1221
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:09,680
so i want to have time to tell my les

1222
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:11,119
paul story okay

1223
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:14,160
first okay okay so um somebody told me

1224
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,040
that les paul

1225
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:18,319
the legend the man the inventor um

1226
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:21,680
was playing with the les paul trio on

1227
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,280
at a nightclub uh up near lincoln center

1228
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,440
and uh you'd have to go inside and then

1229
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:29,520
go down some stairs and there he was in

1230
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,319
this room

1231
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:32,319
and they had a few just a few tables

1232
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:35,040
where the les paul trio would perform

1233
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:38,079
uh and and someone brought me

1234
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,160
into his dressing room and there he was

1235
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:41,920
sitting there he was very nice very

1236
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:42,880
cordial to me

1237
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,760
very gracious and and i did my interview

1238
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:47,280
but couldn't help but notice that

1239
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,520
on the table where he would normally be

1240
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:51,119
sitting putting his makeup on or

1241
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:52,799
whatever at the mirror

1242
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:55,920
there had to be 30 or 40 bottles

1243
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:58,880
of medication you know and i mean we all

1244
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,040
know what medication bottles look like

1245
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:04,160
and he had a bunch of them and and i was

1246
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:06,799
trying not to stare at his hands

1247
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:09,599
but it was it was impossible not to do

1248
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,319
that

1249
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:13,200
and yet i knew because he was getting

1250
00:55:15,270 --> 00:55:14,799
much older then and he'd have either it

1251
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,280
was

1252
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:17,599
arthritis or just the natural

1253
00:55:21,910 --> 00:55:19,119
progression of age

1254
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:21,920
but he asked me if i'd like to stay and

1255
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,880
record

1256
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,960
some of the music and i said yes of

1257
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,000
course thank you

1258
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:29,040
mr paul i'm i'm a big fan i i mean i

1259
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:30,640
want you to tell me everything about how

1260
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:32,319
you invented

1261
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:37,990
i know it's like this this guy was was

1262
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:38,720
just

1263
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:42,000
amazing so i stayed there and he never

1264
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:43,680
missed a beat on the guitar

1265
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,400
while he was playing i was so thrilled

1266
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,079
just to have that moment with him

1267
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,040
uh to say that i met les paul and every

1268
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:52,960
time i go like either into

1269
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,799
uh the guitar center there's always a

1270
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:56,640
gigantic picture of him

1271
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:58,960
you know on the front of the building as

1272
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,240
well as it should be

1273
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,079
it's so interesting that you have that

1274
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:04,240
story because mine is so similar

1275
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:08,079
um in that it involves medicine too

1276
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:12,799
um weird so i'm i'm in new york

1277
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:15,440
and i'm at the the jacob javits

1278
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:16,160
convention

1279
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,359
center right yep and uh

1280
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:21,839
with our company alesis and we built

1281
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:24,160
these multi-track recorders

1282
00:56:32,470 --> 00:56:28,480
uh called the adapt and so he stops by

1283
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:32,480
our booth and uh and i'm there

1284
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:35,440
and he comes up and and i'm like wow

1285
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,319
it's les paul

1286
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:38,799
wow okay this is this is this is cool

1287
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:39,680
it's a treat

1288
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:42,400
and there was a uh a small group of

1289
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,000
people that were kind of following him

1290
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,640
around and so he comes up and i've got

1291
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:48,400
my name tag on

1292
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:52,000
and he's like jimmy

1293
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:55,040
tell me about the aid ad and

1294
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,160
i had lost my voice

1295
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,160
i've been at this convention i've been

1296
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,920
in new york for three days right i've

1297
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:03,119
lost my voice

1298
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:10,319
and he goes oh really i can fix that for

1299
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:11,359
you

1300
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,510
have a recaller

1301
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,839
[Laughter]

1302
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:18,000
he takes out of his pocket a bag of

1303
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:19,599
recallers

1304
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:22,480
and he gives me one and he goes no put

1305
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:23,920
it in your mouth right now

1306
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:26,880
i'm like paul right pop it in my mouth

1307
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:28,240
because you're gonna be as good as gold

1308
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,119
in about an hour

1309
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:31,680
and he goes here take some extras and

1310
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:33,680
then go and buy some ricolas uh

1311
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,720
later on today but you'll be fine

1312
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:38,240
and i'm like all right thank you you

1313
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:40,160
know and i put them in my pocket

1314
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:44,319
and and i'm like les paul

1315
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:47,280
just gave me a recaller now this is the

1316
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:48,240
thing

1317
00:57:52,390 --> 00:57:51,280
uh this is the closure of the story it's

1318
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:52,400
so funny

1319
00:57:59,430 --> 00:57:55,839
rita and i like 20 years ago

1320
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:59,440
and uh were sitting and my coffee tables

1321
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:00,559
in front of us

1322
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,920
and i have the ziploc bag i never used

1323
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:04,720
them up

1324
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:07,680
in fact the one recaller got my voice

1325
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,000
back

1326
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:10,799
about an hour later but i have the bag

1327
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:11,119
of

1328
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:14,880
ricolas

1329
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,760
i'm not gonna i've saved him and i tell

1330
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:19,599
rita the whole story she's like you've

1331
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,319
been taking

1332
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:22,960
i've been said honey i've been carrying

1333
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:24,960
these things around for seven years

1334
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:27,599
that was 30 years 25 years ago i still

1335
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:28,480
have them

1336
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,000
the bag of uh les paul's ricolas

1337
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:34,079
and and that's my that's my les paul

1338
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:35,359
story yeah

1339
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:38,640
i i i love it no one famous well i

1340
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,520
shouldn't say that one

1341
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:41,760
one famous person once offered me a

1342
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:43,599
cert's breath mint

1343
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:46,480
and that was embarrassing enough for me

1344
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:46,880
so

1345
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:51,280
i got okay i've got 90 seconds

1346
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:53,359
okay who gave you the breath mint and

1347
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,520
why do you remember a comedian

1348
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:57,280
comedian who used to be on the smothers

1349
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:58,720
brothers comedy hour

1350
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:01,839
of the 1960s named pat paulson

1351
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,040
oh pat was the best yes of course

1352
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:07,359
and he was always running for president

1353
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:10,400
yes yes pat paulson for president yes

1354
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:13,839
and and he was one of the performers

1355
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:17,040
and at a big concert at symphony hall in

1356
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:19,280
boston and i was invited there by the

1357
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,880
people who were the managers of peter

1358
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,079
paul and mary

1359
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,720
and so they they invited me and my my

1360
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,480
friend tom we were folk singers

1361
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:28,480
in new england at the time so they asked

1362
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,839
us if we'd like to come there

1363
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:31,760
pat paulson was going to be there peter

1364
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:33,760
paul and mary mason williams

1365
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:37,280
was was on on the bill and and we were

1366
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:38,640
standing

1367
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,680
in one of those side boxes not anywhere

1368
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:43,280
in the auditorium

1369
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:45,119
section we're in one of those boxes that

1370
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:46,319
you see on the sides of

1371
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:47,920
all symphony halls and we're just

1372
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:49,760
standing there and the door opens up

1373
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:52,400
and and pat paulson walks into this side

1374
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:53,680
box

1375
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:56,720
where we were standing and i went oh i'm

1376
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:59,520
mr paulson i'm a really really big fan

1377
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,319
of yours

1378
01:00:03,589 --> 01:00:02,880
and he immediately reached into his

1379
01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:03,599
pocket

1380
01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:07,359
and he said have a mint it's like

1381
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,000
okay thank you i'm i'm so embarrassed

1382
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,240
but it's just great to meet you

1383
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:14,240
that's when you do the breath check

1384
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:16,720
right yeah you do the breath check

1385
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:18,319
let's take our break right here our

1386
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:20,400
guest tonight lee

1387
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,839
spiegel it's gonna be a great

1388
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:23,520
conversation we've got a lot to go

1389
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,720
through tonight

1390
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:26,640
stay right there this is fade to black i

1391
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:28,160
am your host jimmy church

1392
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:31,280
on the game changer network and kgra the

1393
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:32,799
planet we'll be right back after this

1394
01:00:43,090 --> 01:00:33,920
short break

1395
01:00:56,450 --> 01:00:43,100
stay with us

1396
01:00:56,460 --> 01:01:02,069
[Music]

1397
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:04,230
this is fade to black with jimmy church

1398
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:06,559
on the game changer radio network

1399
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:11,599
and kgra the global radio alliance

1400
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:14,079
this is kgra digital broadcasting

1401
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:15,119
station

1402
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,520
salt lake city utah van buren arkansas

1403
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:21,520
hello my name is billy carson and i'm a

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight lee spiegel

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is here want to remind everybody

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tomorrow night stephen bassett joins us

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wednesday nights we have uh jim lowe

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attorney is going to be here to talk

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about the book that he is prepping for

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the industry about the uh uap task force

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that's wednesday night tonight it's lee

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spiegel

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and now uh we're gonna there is the ufo

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music connection here uh everybody and i

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just posted up in twitter

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uh lee just sent me these two pictures

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man that's

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i got to tell you you're pretty dashing

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and and you're wearing purple and black

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right here it's that purple man that was

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really hot

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in the 1960s i think it's the same scarf

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too

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as well uh lee that's right

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follow me around check you out you got

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the martin dreadnought

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uh both both martins one's a six string

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one's a twelve string

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look at you man wow incredible everybody

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head over to twitter

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i just popped those up lee thank you for

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sending me those uh that

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is really cool well thank you and i have

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to say

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i would be a little remiss if i didn't

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give a quick shout out to someone whose

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voice you you just played

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uh before you came back from the break

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this mr

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grace hobbs this guy who said who's who

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referred to you as

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his really good friend and yet and yet

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you know i got this email from him

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before we went on the air

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and he said i'm going to be listening so

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race gets his own shout out every night

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on the show

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um you know what race uh we love you man

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and and the fader knots love you but

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race

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has been central uh not like

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unlike yourself lee i'm going to get to

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that in just a second but

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race has been central uh to ufology

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and and broadcast for so many years have

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been responsible

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uh for so many great voices out there

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including his own

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and uh yeah yeah he gets a shout out

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every night on this show i'm almost

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tired of saying his name

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we love you race we love you man hey

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dude he's got the pipes he's got the

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pipes and uh one of my favorite pictures

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is uh the one of uh the three of us uh

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uh back in the day in in roswell it's a

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great as well

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now okay okay so this is this is where i

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want to go

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okay how how do you

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how did you what was the moment when you

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transitioned

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from slinging guitars at sam ash on 48th

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street

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right to ufos what happened

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i'll never forget it it was 1973 it was

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october

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i was in the store cleaning some guitars

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arranging the drumsticks doing whatever

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i was supposed to do

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and there was a radio there's always a

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radio going on

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playing in the back of the room where

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all of the winged instrument guys were

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they always had a little radio

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with with news and i heard this news

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01:09:06,950 --> 01:09:03,920
report

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01:09:10,229 --> 01:09:06,960
in the store about two

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01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:10,239
two ufo encounters famous

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01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:12,560
ufo encounters that took place a week

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apart

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in october of nineteen seventy three let

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me guess pascal aguila

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yes and what would in 73 what was the

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other one

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01:09:26,309 --> 01:09:24,960
what pascagoula was october 11th right

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and the other the other one

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was on the night of october 18th it was

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over ohio does that give you a clue

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uh help me out lee help me out well okay

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01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:37,920
um

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it involved almost a near collision with

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01:09:45,749 --> 01:09:42,000
the ufo

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okay and so you hear these reports which

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are rare on the radio oh yes

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01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:51,359
but what made what made especially the

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01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:52,640
near collision one

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01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:56,080
was that it involved a united states

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01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,400
army reserve helicopter

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01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:00,400
and it was flying over north central

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01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:02,000
ohio the commander of the

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01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:05,920
four-man crew was captain larry coyne

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01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:08,080
and at one point they were headed toward

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01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:09,120
cleveland

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01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:11,440
they were cruising along about 1200 feet

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01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:12,880
and they noticed a red light

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01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:14,560
on the horizon it was rapidly

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01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:16,480
approaching the helicopter

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01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:19,040
so coin began to descend the copter as

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01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,800
they all braced for what they assumed

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01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:22,800
was going to be a collision

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01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,480
with whatever this unknown object was

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01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:26,560
that was nearly upon them

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01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:29,199
but there was no collision instead this

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01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:30,000
red light

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01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:33,120
stopped and it began to hover above and

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01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:34,400
in front of

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01:10:39,669 --> 01:10:37,600
the helicopter at this point the crew

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01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:39,679
could see that they were looking at a

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01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:41,760
cigar-shaped craft

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01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:44,400
it was slightly slightly domed with a

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01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:46,080
gray metallic structure

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01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,719
and what appeared to be windows along

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01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:50,320
the top of the dome

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01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:53,679
it had no wings no tail no vertical

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01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:56,000
or horizontal stabilizers and as they

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01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:58,000
were watching this in disbelief

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01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:01,120
a green colored beam of light passed

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01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:03,199
over the nose of the helicopter

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01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:06,320
and then bathed the entire cockpit in

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01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:08,000
this green light

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01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:09,920
while all this was happening captain

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01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:12,560
coyne had been trying to descend the

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01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:15,360
helicopter but instead unexpectedly

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01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:18,480
it began to cut to climb rapidly

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01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:20,960
for about 10 seconds as if it were being

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01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:22,719
held in some kind of

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01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:25,040
forgive me for saying it tractor beam

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01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:26,400
right right right right

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01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,600
right they they all felt a bump and the

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01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:31,280
helicopter was freed

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01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:34,320
from the beam the ufo sped away leaving

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01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,320
the helicopter alone

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01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:38,719
another aspect of this case that lens

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01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,080
for me and a lot of people

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01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:42,320
credibility there were witnesses on the

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01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:44,400
ground who saw it unfold

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01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:48,080
and coin radioed the the nearest air

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01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:49,679
traffic controller and said we're coming

1678
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:50,400
in

1679
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:53,040
and you should have some press there and

1680
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:54,000
if you don't we're going to go

1681
01:11:57,830 --> 01:11:56,480
to the press because we're not going to

1682
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:57,840
leave this inside because

1683
01:12:01,270 --> 01:11:59,840
we thought we were going to die up here

1684
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:01,280
and so the army

1685
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:03,840
let them talk to the press and about a

1686
01:12:07,350 --> 01:12:05,360
week later

1687
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:07,360
captain coyne was in new york doing the

1688
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:08,960
dick cavett show

1689
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:11,199
uh as a guest and i went wait a minute

1690
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:13,040
now he's on the dick cavett talk show

1691
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:14,320
like what what is

1692
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:18,640
with this guy and and so all of a sudden

1693
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,480
these two incidents first the one in

1694
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:22,560
pascagoula mississippi that involved

1695
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:25,360
the two fishermen calvin parker and

1696
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:26,480
charlie hickson

1697
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:29,199
who were fishing and they they said this

1698
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:30,480
craft came down

1699
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:33,679
and took them aboard for a while

1700
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:36,480
they were probed and examined before

1701
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:38,320
they were brought back to the pier

1702
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:40,400
and for some reason that made some

1703
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:41,760
headlines

1704
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:44,159
and it's still relatively unexplained to

1705
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:44,960
this day

1706
01:12:51,110 --> 01:12:48,480
as is the larry coin helicopter incident

1707
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:51,120
so that those two incidents just totally

1708
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:52,560
caught my attention

1709
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:54,480
and i i just thought well what's going

1710
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:57,280
on here i want to know more about this

1711
01:13:02,070 --> 01:13:00,560
and i started buying books about ufos

1712
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:02,080
and getting more and more familiar with

1713
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:04,000
it and that's just kind of started in

1714
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:07,120
october 73 and now and

1715
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:08,640
it's interesting that you bring this up

1716
01:13:13,350 --> 01:13:10,800
because you're in manhattan

1717
01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:13,360
and and back then you could still buy

1718
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:14,320
books

1719
01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:17,520
and just like you had just like you had

1720
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:19,199
music row right 48th

1721
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:22,880
street in new york you had uh book rows

1722
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:25,920
uh as well booksellers were everywhere

1723
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:29,600
in new york how easy was it for you to

1724
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:32,000
uh go into a bookstore and find

1725
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:33,760
something on ufos back then

1726
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:36,320
it actually wasn't too difficult right

1727
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:37,280
because there were so

1728
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:39,600
many large bookstores i think at the

1729
01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:41,040
time my favorite one

1730
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:43,840
was a place called coliseum books up in

1731
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:45,199
columbus circle near

1732
01:13:51,189 --> 01:13:48,960
the central park uh they they had

1733
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:51,199
an actual i don't know if it was a ufo

1734
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:52,000
section

1735
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:53,520
but it was still back then at least

1736
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:55,360
called paranormal or

1737
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:58,400
or strange or weird right and and

1738
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:00,960
one of one of the books that kind of

1739
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,360
leaped off i could see it shaking

1740
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:05,280
on the counter and said take me take me

1741
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:06,640
you'll like me

1742
01:14:14,070 --> 01:14:10,480
um this one was called beyond earth

1743
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:14,080
man's contact with ufos by ralph and

1744
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:15,600
judy blum

1745
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:18,719
and the picture on the cover was

1746
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,520
was apparently an illustration of what

1747
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:23,600
the creatures were that picked up

1748
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:26,400
the two men in pascagoula and and there

1749
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:27,840
were sections in the book that talked

1750
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:28,400
about

1751
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:30,560
that case so the book had come out

1752
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:31,679
really fast

1753
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:35,360
uh after the pascagoula case and and

1754
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:36,560
and then there were other things about

1755
01:14:41,990 --> 01:14:38,560
the book they interviewed

1756
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:42,000
astronauts politicians law enforcement

1757
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:44,719
people in the military scientists and i

1758
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:45,280
kept

1759
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:47,679
getting more and more excited about

1760
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:49,199
listen to all these people that i'm

1761
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:50,159
reading about

1762
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:52,239
i'd like to hear their voices i really

1763
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:53,360
would like to hear

1764
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:54,960
more than what i'm just seeing in the

1765
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:57,199
book i've got this idea

1766
01:15:00,870 --> 01:14:58,880
why did i come to new york i came to new

1767
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,880
york to make a record to get a record

1768
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:02,239
deal somewhere

1769
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:04,880
okay that was in 1970 so three years

1770
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:06,239
later

1771
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:09,440
things and i'm thinking

1772
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:11,440
a record a record deal i i would like to

1773
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:12,800
hear voices

1774
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:15,040
as far as i knew no one had ever put

1775
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:16,080
together

1776
01:15:22,390 --> 01:15:19,120
a vinyl documentary

1777
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:22,400
talking record about ufos it just hadn't

1778
01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:23,520
been done

1779
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:24,960
and i thought why then that would be

1780
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:26,320
something i could really sink my teeth

1781
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:27,840
into

1782
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:32,640
and at the time in 1973 74

1783
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,840
cbs was was they had this section called

1784
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:37,360
columbia house records

1785
01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:39,840
where they would take different kinds of

1786
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,159
33 and a third vinyl albums from pla

1787
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:44,880
people like mitch miller and the gang or

1788
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:46,000
the the great

1789
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:48,800
strings of the montevani orchestra you

1790
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:49,040
know

1791
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,560
order the

1792
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:54,560
album now you can get you can either get

1793
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:57,040
the album or an 8-track tape

1794
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:59,679
oh an 8-track tape wow does anybody

1795
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:00,239
remember

1796
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:03,280
an 8-track tape out there

1797
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:06,320
uh and so i thought boy cbs

1798
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,840
that's the place where i need to do

1799
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:09,679
something but i don't know anybody at

1800
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:10,880
cbs

1801
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:13,920
and so i figured well with with ralph's

1802
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:16,560
ralph blum's connections because he

1803
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:17,520
wrote the book

1804
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:20,000
maybe he could help me to get some kind

1805
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:21,040
of a meeting

1806
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:23,760
where we could do a pitch and but i

1807
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:25,280
didn't even know ralph blum

1808
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,520
at that point i only knew about his book

1809
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:29,199
and i knew from reading the book that he

1810
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:30,159
had just done

1811
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:33,760
some writing for an nbc news white paper

1812
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:34,400
report

1813
01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:37,120
about ufos and i thought if i could only

1814
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:38,480
meet ralph blum

1815
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:41,120
and so all i all i knew was that he had

1816
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:42,480
an nbc connection

1817
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:45,199
well there was it in new york city half

1818
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:47,120
a block away from music row

1819
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:49,679
on 48th street just walked down to near

1820
01:16:53,110 --> 01:16:50,480
radio city

1821
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:53,120
i walked into the nbc building one day

1822
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:54,159
and i noticed that there was

1823
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:56,960
of course security even back then and

1824
01:16:59,030 --> 01:16:58,159
and you just couldn't walk through

1825
01:17:00,310 --> 01:16:59,040
security

1826
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:00,320
and i didn't have an appointment with

1827
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:02,400
anybody but i noticed a group of people

1828
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:04,239
standing around milling around the

1829
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:05,440
security desk

1830
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:07,120
and i asked somebody what what's this

1831
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:09,280
group here that you're doing here

1832
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,960
they said oh well we're here to see a

1833
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:12,880
couple of um a couple of

1834
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:15,520
jeopardy games that they they do here at

1835
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:17,199
nbc and i said oh oh that that's

1836
01:17:19,990 --> 01:17:18,080
interesting

1837
01:17:21,750 --> 01:17:20,000
and then at one point one of the nbc

1838
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:21,760
people said okay everybody everybody's

1839
01:17:23,669 --> 01:17:22,400
in line

1840
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:23,679
we're gonna go through security now

1841
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:25,440
we're gonna go up into the elevator and

1842
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:26,000
we're gonna go

1843
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:27,920
we're gonna watch jeopardy and i went

1844
01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:29,679
right in with the crowd

1845
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:32,000
i just i just walked in with the crowd

1846
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:33,520
this is this is getting better and

1847
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:35,760
better what happened next

1848
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:37,920
we got up to whatever the floor was

1849
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:39,360
where jeopardy

1850
01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:42,400
was being produced back then um

1851
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:45,360
and this was this was before alex trebek

1852
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:47,679
had it it was a guy named art fleming

1853
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,400
fleming that's right that's right yeah

1854
01:17:55,030 --> 01:17:52,159
and the announcer was remembered don

1855
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:55,040
pardo yeah of course he's i i steal all

1856
01:18:01,510 --> 01:17:57,280
his best material i mean

1857
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:01,520
don's the man so i figure well i'm here

1858
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:03,840
i'm in with a crowd nobody's asking me

1859
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:05,280
for id

1860
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:06,880
why didn't i go watch a couple of

1861
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:09,280
episodes of jeopardy and i did i went in

1862
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:11,280
to the studio with the crowd find us

1863
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:12,719
found a seat it was fun

1864
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:13,840
and then it was time to leave and they

1865
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:15,360
said okay everybody we're going to leave

1866
01:18:17,669 --> 01:18:16,960
now we're going to take our tour of nbc

1867
01:18:19,750 --> 01:18:17,679
news

1868
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:19,760
everybody stay in line stay with the

1869
01:18:23,110 --> 01:18:21,040
group and

1870
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:23,120
we left the studio and they all went

1871
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,960
walking down one of those long highway

1872
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:26,640
hallways and i went in the other

1873
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:28,400
direction and

1874
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:30,080
and i was just looking for anything that

1875
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:32,320
would indicate nbc news and there were

1876
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:33,520
signs everywhere

1877
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:36,480
nbc news one news two news three so i

1878
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,199
walked into

1879
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:39,360
one of the rooms and someone said can i

1880
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:40,960
help you and i said yes uh

1881
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:42,880
i'm here to pick up uh any mail that

1882
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:45,120
you've got for ralph blum

1883
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:47,440
and i i was just making it up as i was

1884
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:48,560
going along

1885
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:51,040
and they said well um i don't know if

1886
01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:53,360
he's here let me see which which offers

1887
01:18:56,070 --> 01:18:54,880
he's with and they looked up his name

1888
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:56,080
and he was in the directory and they

1889
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:56,400
said

1890
01:18:59,430 --> 01:18:57,600
no you've got to go down the other end

1891
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:59,440
of the hall it's door number

1892
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:01,280
so i went down there and i walked in and

1893
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:03,120
i said to someone i understand

1894
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:05,920
i'm in ralph blum's location uh he's

1895
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:07,520
asked me to pick up his mail for him

1896
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:09,600
because he's out of town and they said

1897
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:10,960
uh yeah that's right we're not really

1898
01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:12,320
sure when he's coming back

1899
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:15,679
because i was lying about that and

1900
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:17,760
they gave me his mail he had a bunch of

1901
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:18,800
mail they wrapped

1902
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:21,040
they wrapped some rubber bands around it

1903
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:22,320
they put it in a bag

1904
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:25,280
they gave it to me which was illegal

1905
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:26,400
everything that was going on

1906
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:29,440
you could have been in jail yes i know i

1907
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:30,320
realized that

1908
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:32,560
but i also knew that i knew in the back

1909
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,440
of my mind

1910
01:19:37,110 --> 01:19:35,520
my dad in new hampshire would be

1911
01:19:40,149 --> 01:19:37,120
applauding me

1912
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:40,159
to do this and they said

1913
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:41,679
say hi to ralph for us i said thank you

1914
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:44,480
very much and i left the nbc building

1915
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:47,199
looked at some of the letters he

1916
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:49,600
obviously had a madison avenue address

1917
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:51,679
into a cab i went take me to this

1918
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:53,600
address

1919
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:56,640
and get up to the to the location and

1920
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:58,000
found that it was one of those

1921
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:01,440
um four or five uh

1922
01:20:05,030 --> 01:20:03,440
story buildings where different people

1923
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:05,040
have their own portions of the building

1924
01:20:07,910 --> 01:20:05,520
there

1925
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:07,920
not not an apartment building but pretty

1926
01:20:11,430 --> 01:20:08,960
luxurious

1927
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:11,440
and so instead of i wasn't brave enough

1928
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:13,199
to try and actually ring his bell

1929
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:15,360
but i rang the bell of the super the

1930
01:20:18,550 --> 01:20:16,960
superintendent of the building

1931
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:18,560
and the guy came down from wherever he

1932
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:20,159
was can i help you

1933
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:22,320
yeah i brought i just brought some mail

1934
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:23,679
over for mr blum

1935
01:20:26,709 --> 01:20:25,120
uh can i leave it with you can you give

1936
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:26,719
it to him when you see him again and the

1937
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:28,159
guy said yeah sure

1938
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:30,000
uh i said thank you he took he took the

1939
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:31,920
mail but before he i said hold on let me

1940
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:33,840
just i just want to write a little note

1941
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:35,920
to ralph and i just wrote did you know

1942
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:36,880
dear mr blum

1943
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:39,040
my name is lee spiegel i'm a real big

1944
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:40,000
fan of your book

1945
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:41,920
i've come up with an idea of a way that

1946
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:43,360
you can really promote your book even

1947
01:20:46,149 --> 01:20:44,000
more

1948
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:46,159
uh here's my phone number i really hope

1949
01:20:48,870 --> 01:20:47,120
to hear from you

1950
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,880
lee spiegel and i gave it to the

1951
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:50,159
superintendent

1952
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:52,480
and and i went home and a couple days

1953
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:54,000
later my phone rang

1954
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:56,400
and i said hello and the voice said is

1955
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:58,000
this lee spiegel

1956
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:00,880
yes it is this is ralph blum how the

1957
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:03,679
hell did you get my mail

1958
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:07,760
this is the best story ever is it true

1959
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:10,320
is it truly it is and when i told him

1960
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:11,280
the story

1961
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:12,880
he really wanted to meet me he said

1962
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:14,880
that's the best story

1963
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:16,159
you know of course i could have you

1964
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:18,639
arrested yes for what you did

1965
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:21,600
but but i'm i'm so you know intrigued by

1966
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:21,920
this

1967
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:23,840
yeah i'll meet you for coffee somewhere

1968
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:25,920
and we became really good friends and

1969
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:28,719
he liked my album idea of trying to

1970
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:30,000
trying to interview people

1971
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:32,080
that were in his book that he could

1972
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:33,040
arrange for me to

1973
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:35,600
to meet he had all their contact numbers

1974
01:21:39,189 --> 01:21:36,560
around the country

1975
01:21:41,189 --> 01:21:39,199
of course if you could help me to get a

1976
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:41,199
pitch done at cbs and get some front

1977
01:21:45,590 --> 01:21:43,360
money from the record company

1978
01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:45,600
um and i'll take some of the money i'll

1979
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:46,960
buy whatever is

1980
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:50,080
the best small cassette tape recorder

1981
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,560
because

1982
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:52,320
i want to do these recordings on

1983
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:53,920
cassette it's all we had available at

1984
01:21:57,910 --> 01:21:54,800
that time

1985
01:21:59,590 --> 01:21:57,920
to do to travel with he said yeah

1986
01:22:01,910 --> 01:21:59,600
we'll do it i'll go there we'll do the

1987
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:01,920
pitch and and that's what happened

1988
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:04,960
we we went to cbs uh it was an amazing

1989
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:05,600
experience

1990
01:22:09,030 --> 01:22:07,280
he did most of the talking be talking

1991
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:09,040
because he's this was the kind of guy he

1992
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:09,679
was

1993
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:11,840
but but he convinced them that if they

1994
01:22:16,229 --> 01:22:13,760
gave me the money that i needed

1995
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:16,239
that i would take the equipment travel

1996
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:17,520
around the country and i had a list

1997
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:18,719
we'll do

1998
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:21,199
astronaut gordon cooper astronaut jim

1999
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:21,920
mcdivitt

2000
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:24,239
um you know politicians blah blah blah

2001
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:25,120
scientists

2002
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:27,920
j allen heineck stan friedman and they

2003
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:28,480
said

2004
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:31,520
okay because i knew that

2005
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:33,840
if they said okay that that meant not

2006
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:35,520
only was i going to get a record deal

2007
01:22:37,669 --> 01:22:36,400
out of it

2008
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:37,679
the whole reason why i went to new york

2009
01:22:43,910 --> 01:22:40,639
with my guitar was to get a record deal

2010
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:43,920
but i the possibility of having it

2011
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:44,960
advertised

2012
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:48,480
on prime time tv as an infomercial

2013
01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:50,880
had never been done before with any ufo

2014
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:51,679
product

2015
01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:54,000
and they said yeah and we'll let you

2016
01:22:57,510 --> 01:22:55,199
produce and write

2017
01:22:58,310 --> 01:22:57,520
the the tv spot for it too now i

2018
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:58,320
remember

2019
01:23:01,830 --> 01:23:00,960
um us talking about i never got the

2020
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:01,840
story

2021
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:05,600
behind uh the album yeah but i remember

2022
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:07,040
us talking you know the first

2023
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:09,920
uh you know ufo uh you know talking

2024
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:10,880
record

2025
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:14,400
of of of case history uh i never got the

2026
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:15,679
back story

2027
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:17,760
that was a lot of work how did you feel

2028
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:20,560
to finally get it released uh

2029
01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:22,960
i i that was the first time that i

2030
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:24,880
started asking friends of mine please

2031
01:23:28,149 --> 01:23:25,679
pinch me

2032
01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:28,159
i can't believe that that we pulled this

2033
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:28,719
off

2034
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:30,000
that they're actually letting me do it

2035
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:31,840
it was also the first time i ever got

2036
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,960
onto a plane

2037
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:35,040
to fly anywhere and i'm suddenly flying

2038
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:36,159
around the country

2039
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:38,880
meeting all these incredible people and

2040
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:41,040
getting these interviews for the album

2041
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:43,360
it was it was just like one of those

2042
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:44,639
amazing things

2043
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:46,880
and i thought well okay there's a lot to

2044
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:48,320
be said about the

2045
01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:51,520
concept of creating your own reality so

2046
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:54,560
so jeopardy yeah

2047
01:24:01,830 --> 01:23:58,400
jeopardy put you in the center of every

2048
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:01,840
breaking ufo story in the next 40 to 50

2049
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:02,560
years

2050
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:06,239
how crazy is that i i know i i know

2051
01:24:10,629 --> 01:24:09,199
listen when i was a kid 10 years old

2052
01:24:12,390 --> 01:24:10,639
living in new hampshire and we had our

2053
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:12,400
little black and white tv

2054
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:15,600
whenever there was a ufo flap or major

2055
01:24:19,830 --> 01:24:17,360
sightings somewhere in the country

2056
01:24:20,629 --> 01:24:19,840
and there was a press conference where

2057
01:24:22,950 --> 01:24:20,639
the the

2058
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:22,960
government or the air force was trying

2059
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:24,960
to explain it away

2060
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:27,199
they had always brought out this guy in

2061
01:24:30,470 --> 01:24:28,159
a suit

2062
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,480
he had a pipe he had this little goatee

2063
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:32,880
beard and it was a scientist that kept

2064
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:35,920
coming out to explain the ufo stuff away

2065
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:38,080
and i kept thinking wow this is a this

2066
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:39,040
is a scientist

2067
01:24:43,110 --> 01:24:40,239
i don't really know much about what

2068
01:24:46,149 --> 01:24:43,120
scientists are but he's pretty cool

2069
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:46,159
talk about if anyone had said to me at

2070
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:46,719
that point

2071
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:49,040
you see that man on tv in a few years

2072
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:49,920
when you're in

2073
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:52,880
five years you're at the u.n you and he

2074
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:53,920
are going to become

2075
01:24:58,149 --> 01:24:56,159
really close where he's going to be like

2076
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:58,159
the grandfather you never knew he's

2077
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:59,679
going to be one of the first people

2078
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:01,120
you're going to interview for a

2079
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:03,120
documentary record album

2080
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:06,239
and i and and it all happened like that

2081
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:09,920
just amazing that is amazing have you

2082
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:12,159
uh and i want to continue with all of

2083
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:13,199
this i'm

2084
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:15,760
uh when we come back uh when we go into

2085
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:17,040
the break we're not there yet i'm

2086
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:18,639
letting everybody know i'll post a bunch

2087
01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:19,520
of uh

2088
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:21,520
uh pictures and we'll discuss those when

2089
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:22,960
we come back

2090
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:27,040
but between 1970s

2091
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:29,760
and everything that started to unfold

2092
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:30,320
over

2093
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:32,000
you know the next four or five years

2094
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:34,000
leading up to the united nations

2095
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:36,159
did you ever have your own ufo

2096
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:37,760
experience

2097
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:41,679
well funny that you should ask that um

2098
01:25:47,430 --> 01:25:45,199
in the middle of 1975

2099
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:47,440
while i was working on the production of

2100
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:48,960
the album before it was actually

2101
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:49,920
released

2102
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:52,239
i was sitting in my apartment in new

2103
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:53,920
york going over the interviews

2104
01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:54,960
transcribing things

2105
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:57,360
writing some of the scripts and and my

2106
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:58,320
phone rang

2107
01:26:02,149 --> 01:26:00,960
and it was dr heineck calling me from

2108
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:02,159
evanston illinois

2109
01:26:07,030 --> 01:26:05,360
the center for ufo studies and he was

2110
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:07,040
calling to tell me that he's been

2111
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:09,040
he'd been getting phone calls for

2112
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:10,480
several days in a row

2113
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:13,120
from police officers sheriff's deputies

2114
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:14,639
highway patrolmen

2115
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:17,760
law enforcement personnel from lumberton

2116
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,040
north carolina

2117
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:21,120
who were seeing something strange in the

2118
01:26:24,149 --> 01:26:22,320
skies there

2119
01:26:25,430 --> 01:26:24,159
and they didn't know how to explain it

2120
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:25,440
they called him because

2121
01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:27,840
heineck had developed this special 800

2122
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:28,480
hotline

2123
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:30,639
that he distributed to police officers

2124
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:31,920
all around the country

2125
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:33,440
and basically let everybody know if

2126
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:35,360
something happens in your jurisdiction

2127
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:37,600
call me here we'll send someone to help

2128
01:26:40,229 --> 01:26:38,480
you

2129
01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:40,239
and so he was getting calls from north

2130
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:42,639
carolina and they didn't have anybody

2131
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:44,000
down there who knew how to investigate

2132
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:44,800
the stuff

2133
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:46,800
so they were asking him for help so he

2134
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:48,480
said to me listen i

2135
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:50,639
i don't have anybody down there i know

2136
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:52,480
you're working on your album

2137
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:54,800
but do you have the time to go down in

2138
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:56,159
north carolina

2139
01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:58,480
and at least interview these people so

2140
01:27:02,790 --> 01:27:00,400
we could have this on record

2141
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:02,800
uh to try and piece this together what

2142
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:04,320
they're seeing down there

2143
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:06,719
and i said well tell me alan what

2144
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:08,480
exactly are they reporting to you what

2145
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:10,000
are they seeing

2146
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:13,440
he said well here in 1975

2147
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:15,040
we haven't heard very much about this

2148
01:27:18,550 --> 01:27:16,960
kind of an object

2149
01:27:20,629 --> 01:27:18,560
it seems like they're talking about

2150
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:20,639
something that's v-shaped

2151
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:23,920
or triangular-shaped or boomerang-shaped

2152
01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:25,280
i went oh

2153
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:28,159
really you mean it's like like a

2154
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:30,239
gigantic flying dorito

2155
01:27:33,270 --> 01:27:31,840
is that what they're reporting to you

2156
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:33,280
right he said well well that's the

2157
01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:34,159
general shape

2158
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:36,400
and i said well you know i've always

2159
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:37,520
wished that i could

2160
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:40,159
see a classic flying saucer you know

2161
01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:42,960
circular with a dome on top and you know

2162
01:27:46,229 --> 01:27:45,040
he said he said look if you don't want

2163
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:46,239
to go

2164
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:49,280
and i stopped him i said no ellen don't

2165
01:27:52,709 --> 01:27:50,480
finish that thought

2166
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:52,719
you are the last person on this planet

2167
01:27:57,669 --> 01:27:54,000
that i want to piss off

2168
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:57,679
right right i'm going to go and and i

2169
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:58,400
went

2170
01:28:02,070 --> 01:28:00,320
and within a few hours of my arrival

2171
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:02,080
down there i hit the jackpot

2172
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:04,719
what happened what happened uh even

2173
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:06,159
before they took me to the holiday inn

2174
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:06,960
to check in

2175
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:08,159
they took me right to the sheriff's

2176
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:09,840
department where they had some police

2177
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:10,800
officers there

2178
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,400
waiting for me to do some interviews

2179
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:14,080
with them so i was there for a little

2180
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,639
while

2181
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:16,960
the sun went down and calls started

2182
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:18,800
coming into the dispatcher

2183
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:21,120
uh officer ron thompson was was doing

2184
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:22,320
the dispatching

2185
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:25,600
and and ron was saying to me this the

2186
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:26,880
thing is back

2187
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:29,040
and i said let's go i mean that's what

2188
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:30,880
i'm here for let's go see

2189
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:33,360
so we went we got into one of the cars

2190
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:34,560
and we took off

2191
01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:37,199
stayed in contact with the other law

2192
01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:38,400
enforcement cars

2193
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:41,120
with the car radios until we all emerged

2194
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:43,040
in front of this field

2195
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:45,760
and we got out of the cars and there was

2196
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:46,320
there was

2197
01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:49,520
nothing to be heard except the sound of

2198
01:28:52,790 --> 01:28:51,920
animals in the area very nervous about

2199
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:52,800
something

2200
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:55,040
but we didn't know what there was no

2201
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:56,800
moon the stars

2202
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:58,880
were just starting to come out and we

2203
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:00,159
just stood there

2204
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:03,360
looking around to see anything and

2205
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:05,520
we were at one side of a field and on

2206
01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:06,960
the other side of the field

2207
01:29:10,709 --> 01:29:09,440
in front of us there was a line of trees

2208
01:29:13,750 --> 01:29:10,719
and from our

2209
01:29:15,910 --> 01:29:13,760
left moving to our right above the line

2210
01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:15,920
of trees there was a white light

2211
01:29:19,590 --> 01:29:17,920
and it alternated with a red light just

2212
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:19,600
was going white

2213
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:22,320
red moved very slowly until it stopped

2214
01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:23,440
right about almost

2215
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:25,679
directly on the other side of the field

2216
01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:27,360
from where we were

2217
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:29,600
and then it started moving slowly across

2218
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:30,400
the field

2219
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:32,639
in our direction oh well that got our

2220
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:33,840
attention

2221
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:36,719
kept coming slowly slowly and slowly and

2222
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:38,719
by the time it stopped

2223
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:41,120
and was hovering directly above us then

2224
01:29:45,110 --> 01:29:42,000
we all knew

2225
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:45,120
first of all it had no engine it was it

2226
01:29:48,870 --> 01:29:46,159
made no sound

2227
01:29:49,830 --> 01:29:48,880
okay we all noticed that we also noticed

2228
01:29:52,629 --> 01:29:49,840
that it had a

2229
01:29:54,310 --> 01:29:52,639
a row of red lights up one side of it

2230
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:54,320
white lights up the other side

2231
01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:58,159
and at the apex a larger glowing light

2232
01:30:02,470 --> 01:30:00,800
and because these lights were so bright

2233
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:02,480
we were able to then see

2234
01:30:07,990 --> 01:30:04,960
the triangular shape of it because the

2235
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:08,000
lights were shining on it

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01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:12,000
i'm i'm posting the painting now yeah

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01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:15,120
and so as we watched it i mean can you

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01:30:19,270 --> 01:30:17,520
can you imagine in a situation like that

2239
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:19,280
i'm holding my tape recorder i'm talking

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01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:20,400
into the tape recorder

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01:30:24,390 --> 01:30:22,320
and i'm trying to keep my heart from

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01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:24,400
leaping out of my chest

2243
01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:27,600
over what i'm seeing uh and as we

2244
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:28,400
watched it

2245
01:30:32,149 --> 01:30:31,040
from the top of it this beam of light

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01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:32,159
came down

2247
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:34,719
and hit the ground and i was surrounded

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01:30:36,629 --> 01:30:36,159
by the police officers and the sheriff's

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01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:36,639
people

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01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:38,239
but hit the ground right in front of

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01:30:41,830 --> 01:30:40,080
where i was standing

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01:30:43,510 --> 01:30:41,840
and then in the in the painting that you

2253
01:30:45,750 --> 01:30:43,520
see the illustration

2254
01:30:46,950 --> 01:30:45,760
um you can see the central figures got

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01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:46,960
his arms out

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01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:50,320
that was me you know and and

2257
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:53,520
and it was like what the hell and it

2258
01:30:56,870 --> 01:30:54,480
only lasted

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01:30:59,110 --> 01:30:56,880
the beam down there on the ground maybe

2260
01:31:00,790 --> 01:30:59,120
two seconds two and a half seconds

2261
01:31:02,229 --> 01:31:00,800
and then the light went right back up

2262
01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:02,239
into the craft

2263
01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:04,560
the whole thing turned an amber color

2264
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:06,239
the whole craft

2265
01:31:09,270 --> 01:31:08,480
it turned about a 45 degree angle very

2266
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:09,280
slowly

2267
01:31:15,910 --> 01:31:12,960
like

2268
01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:15,920
okay we got to go chase it and everybody

2269
01:31:19,510 --> 01:31:17,520
got into their cars

2270
01:31:21,110 --> 01:31:19,520
and and down the roads we went staying

2271
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:21,120
in touch with other cars

2272
01:31:25,030 --> 01:31:23,280
as this thing was being spotted by other

2273
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:25,040
people along the way

2274
01:31:28,229 --> 01:31:26,480
and i ended up getting a lot of

2275
01:31:29,350 --> 01:31:28,239
interviews from people in two or three

2276
01:31:32,149 --> 01:31:29,360
different counties

2277
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:32,159
the the most spectacular one was we came

2278
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:32,800
upon

2279
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:35,280
a police chief rugged you know

2280
01:31:39,270 --> 01:31:36,480
no-nonsense

2281
01:31:40,870 --> 01:31:39,280
burly guy police chief gary moore was

2282
01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:40,880
sitting in his squad car

2283
01:31:43,990 --> 01:31:42,400
and i went up to him and i introduced

2284
01:31:46,070 --> 01:31:44,000
myself to him told him what

2285
01:31:47,510 --> 01:31:46,080
i was there for i said i understand you

2286
01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:47,520
had a little encounter here

2287
01:31:51,669 --> 01:31:49,760
chief a little while ago can you tell me

2288
01:31:53,270 --> 01:31:51,679
about it he said yeah

2289
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:53,280
i was just sitting in my car eating my

2290
01:31:56,550 --> 01:31:54,880
sandwich and

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01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:56,560
all of a sudden the whole inside of my

2292
01:32:00,550 --> 01:31:58,400
car was lit up this

2293
01:32:02,310 --> 01:32:00,560
bright yellow light i said what did you

2294
01:32:04,229 --> 01:32:02,320
do he said i

2295
01:32:05,669 --> 01:32:04,239
rolled the window down and i just looked

2296
01:32:08,709 --> 01:32:05,679
up you know like the way

2297
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:08,719
richard dreyfus encounters yeah

2298
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:10,800
i do he did that like two years later

2299
01:32:13,110 --> 01:32:12,000
and he looked up and he said there was

2300
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:13,120
this thing parked

2301
01:32:16,310 --> 01:32:15,120
right in the sky above me and i said

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01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:16,320
well what did you do

2303
01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:18,800
he said i reached behind me to the back

2304
01:32:23,350 --> 01:32:20,880
seat pulled up my big official

2305
01:32:24,149 --> 01:32:23,360
emergency flashlight i aimed it up at

2306
01:32:26,629 --> 01:32:24,159
the thing

2307
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:26,639
and i blinked at it and it blinked back

2308
01:32:29,910 --> 01:32:27,440
once

2309
01:32:31,110 --> 01:32:29,920
i went really did you do anything else

2310
01:32:34,550 --> 01:32:31,120
he said yeah

2311
01:32:36,149 --> 01:32:34,560
i blinked twice and it blinked twice

2312
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:36,159
back at him

2313
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:38,960
and then as if to say i'm done with you

2314
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:40,800
it turned and left

2315
01:32:44,229 --> 01:32:43,760
to go befuddle the other cops in the

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01:32:47,030 --> 01:32:44,239
area

2317
01:32:47,510 --> 01:32:47,040
just amazing stuff can you imagine yeah

2318
01:32:49,830 --> 01:32:47,520
uh

2319
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:49,840
the the pictures posted up in twitter we

2320
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:50,800
need to take our

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01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:54,480
break and that is that is done by artist

2322
01:32:58,550 --> 01:32:57,840
dale hendrickson who works on the

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01:33:01,590 --> 01:32:58,560
simpsons

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01:33:03,189 --> 01:33:01,600
uh great artist the painting is up check

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01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:03,199
that out it's in our twitter feed this

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is fade to black more with lee spiegel

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:49,270
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:52,000
jimmy church tonight lee spiegel

2386
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:54,239
and i've just posted up in twitter a

2387
01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:56,320
group of shots from the united nations

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01:37:00,149 --> 01:36:57,520
which we're going to discuss

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next but before that i want to talk to

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our guest tonight lee spiegel now lee um

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01:38:00,950 --> 01:37:57,600
when i say that uh you uh

2416
01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:00,960
went from slinging guitars to

2417
01:38:04,310 --> 01:38:03,760
uh on 48th street at sam ash to the

2418
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:04,320
center

2419
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:07,840
of every breaking story it it is

2420
01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:10,480
it's extraordinary the turn that your

2421
01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:10,880
life

2422
01:38:15,590 --> 01:38:13,520
took and moving on because i want to get

2423
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:15,600
to uh the phenomenon but

2424
01:38:19,350 --> 01:38:17,920
one of the most extraordinary moments in

2425
01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:19,360
in ufo history

2426
01:38:24,550 --> 01:38:22,159
is is what you put together for the

2427
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:24,560
united nations in 1978

2428
01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:28,400
i just posted uh uh four of the images

2429
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:31,199
from that conference how did you how did

2430
01:38:36,550 --> 01:38:33,600
this come together

2431
01:38:37,590 --> 01:38:36,560
well in a couple years after i was done

2432
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:37,600
working on the album

2433
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:39,360
the album was released in the early part

2434
01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:41,440
of 1976

2435
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:44,639
and and i spent time more

2436
01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:47,520
reading most things about ufos because

2437
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:47,840
it

2438
01:38:53,590 --> 01:38:51,280
know more i wanted to do more the album

2439
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:53,600
suddenly i wasn't satisfied with just

2440
01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:55,679
doing a vinyl record

2441
01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:57,760
and i thought boy it would be great if

2442
01:39:01,109 --> 01:38:59,600
there's some way that i could reach a

2443
01:39:03,189 --> 01:39:01,119
larger audience

2444
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:03,199
not not even an audience but reach more

2445
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:04,320
people

2446
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:06,000
because i felt that there was something

2447
01:39:08,950 --> 01:39:07,440
really credible

2448
01:39:10,629 --> 01:39:08,960
about this subject and i thought that

2449
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:10,639
people weren't getting enough credible

2450
01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:11,600
material

2451
01:39:15,270 --> 01:39:13,600
so i thought what else is out there how

2452
01:39:17,430 --> 01:39:15,280
can i reach people around the world

2453
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:17,440
hmm is there any organization that i can

2454
01:39:21,109 --> 01:39:18,960
think of that

2455
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:21,119
that has its you know feelers out there

2456
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:22,800
in the world hmm

2457
01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:24,960
i live in new york what's here oh the

2458
01:39:29,430 --> 01:39:26,560
united nations is here

2459
01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:29,440
it just started hitting my consciousness

2460
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:31,040
so i started asking people

2461
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:33,119
what do you think if if i tried to maybe

2462
01:39:38,709 --> 01:39:35,520
do a presentation at the united nations

2463
01:39:40,629 --> 01:39:38,719
and people are saying to me no forget it

2464
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:40,639
you can't just walk up to the united

2465
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:42,719
nations to the security desk

2466
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:44,639
and knock on the door and and ask them

2467
01:39:48,149 --> 01:39:45,760
if you can come in

2468
01:39:50,229 --> 01:39:48,159
and arrange to do a presentation on ufos

2469
01:39:53,669 --> 01:39:50,239
well you could you could if they filmed

2470
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:56,870
that's probably true yeah yeah god damn

2471
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,560
see i could have had a v8 i didn't think

2472
01:40:03,030 --> 01:40:00,400
of that

2473
01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:03,040
well they said they'll never let you out

2474
01:40:05,189 --> 01:40:04,800
the door without being arrested first

2475
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:05,199
the

2476
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:08,880
to cart you away

2477
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:11,360
yeah a little more security than nbc

2478
01:40:15,590 --> 01:40:11,920
yeah

2479
01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:15,600
heineck

2480
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:17,920
he had told me many times how he for

2481
01:40:21,510 --> 01:40:18,960
years he had

2482
01:40:23,189 --> 01:40:21,520
always really wanted the opportunity to

2483
01:40:26,390 --> 01:40:23,199
speak at the united nations

2484
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:26,400
but it just never came to pass for him

2485
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:28,560
so that that was starting to to get

2486
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:29,679
under my skin about

2487
01:40:32,709 --> 01:40:31,040
wanting to do something that could help

2488
01:40:35,590 --> 01:40:32,719
him stan friedman

2489
01:40:37,669 --> 01:40:35,600
also the nuclear physicist wanted a

2490
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:37,679
chance to do something like that

2491
01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:40,560
and and and at this point i hadn't yet

2492
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:40,880
met

2493
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:43,600
jacques valet the astrophysicist uh

2494
01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:45,360
before the united nations

2495
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:48,880
started to take off so i and people said

2496
01:40:51,270 --> 01:40:49,440
to me

2497
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:51,280
if you want to do anything at the united

2498
01:40:57,109 --> 01:40:54,080
nations you have to be

2499
01:40:59,510 --> 01:40:57,119
a citizen either a citizen of a country

2500
01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:59,520
that wants to do something at the u.n or

2501
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:00,960
you have to be

2502
01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:04,080
delegated by a country that

2503
01:41:07,350 --> 01:41:06,000
would like to promote something that you

2504
01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:07,360
will put on there

2505
01:41:14,470 --> 01:41:11,840
under their support and in 1977

2506
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:14,480
uh eric gary the prime minister of the

2507
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:15,119
little

2508
01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:18,080
country of grenada started showing up on

2509
01:41:21,270 --> 01:41:18,800
on tv

2510
01:41:23,109 --> 01:41:21,280
doing these little news items saying

2511
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:23,119
that he was hoping that the united

2512
01:41:27,669 --> 01:41:24,239
nations under his

2513
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:27,679
help could begin a special investigation

2514
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:29,920
international committee to study ufos

2515
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:30,639
because

2516
01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:33,199
i have many many ufo sightings in my

2517
01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:33,840
country

2518
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:36,560
i've had my own encounter and so i would

2519
01:41:42,149 --> 01:41:38,639
really like to have my country be

2520
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:42,159
the clearing house for ufo reports

2521
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:44,239
and i'm watching and waiting looking at

2522
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:46,000
any response from him

2523
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:48,000
from the u.n nobody was paying any

2524
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:49,040
attention to the guy

2525
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:50,880
but because he was the leader of a

2526
01:41:54,390 --> 01:41:52,080
nation

2527
01:41:55,350 --> 01:41:54,400
the u.n was under an obligation to let

2528
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:55,360
him talk

2529
01:41:58,629 --> 01:41:56,880
let him do a press conference if you

2530
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:58,639
wanted to let him talk to the media

2531
01:42:01,590 --> 01:41:59,600
whether he's got

2532
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:01,600
anything good to say or not and nobody

2533
01:42:06,310 --> 01:42:03,040
was paying attention

2534
01:42:08,790 --> 01:42:06,320
so okay light bulb came over my head

2535
01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:08,800
and i said okay here's what i got to do

2536
01:42:14,149 --> 01:42:10,159
i put a call through

2537
01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:14,159
to the grenada mission at the u n

2538
01:42:18,149 --> 01:42:16,560
spoke to one of their ambassadors got

2539
01:42:19,109 --> 01:42:18,159
really friendly with him over the phone

2540
01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:19,119
told them what

2541
01:42:23,990 --> 01:42:21,840
what the idea was that i had without

2542
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:24,000
sketching it out too much more to him

2543
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:27,119
and i said i did this record album for a

2544
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:28,000
big company called

2545
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:30,480
cbs it's got some people on it i think

2546
01:42:32,229 --> 01:42:32,000
your prime minister would be interested

2547
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:32,239
in

2548
01:42:37,430 --> 01:42:35,679
hello

2549
01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:37,440
and he said yes your name will be

2550
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:39,199
downstairs at security we'd love to say

2551
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:40,800
hello to you

2552
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:42,080
and i got friendly with all the

2553
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:43,920
ambassadors gary was

2554
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:45,840
was not in new york at that time but i

2555
01:42:49,189 --> 01:42:47,360
said here's my album

2556
01:42:51,109 --> 01:42:49,199
would you please give it to your prime

2557
01:42:54,149 --> 01:42:51,119
minister with my compliments

2558
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:54,159
and let him know that uh i think i can

2559
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:55,280
help him

2560
01:42:59,830 --> 01:42:57,520
get the united nations to pay attention

2561
01:43:01,830 --> 01:42:59,840
to his interest in ufos

2562
01:43:03,669 --> 01:43:01,840
so i hope to meet him sometime they took

2563
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:03,679
my album they were very happy about it

2564
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:05,760
a couple weeks later i got a call from

2565
01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:08,080
them saying

2566
01:43:11,669 --> 01:43:09,520
prime minister gary is coming to new

2567
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:11,679
york he's going to be knighted

2568
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:15,199
sir eric gary in a big ceremony here

2569
01:43:18,870 --> 01:43:16,480
we'd like to invite you

2570
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:18,880
to the ceremony i said thank you that

2571
01:43:22,790 --> 01:43:20,560
would be lovely

2572
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:22,800
i'm sure i have to wear a jacket and tie

2573
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:24,480
for that

2574
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:27,520
take that breath mint yes yeah the pat

2575
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:28,080
paulson

2576
01:43:34,629 --> 01:43:32,560
i said yeah i'd be happy to

2577
01:43:36,390 --> 01:43:34,639
went there it was very cold a lot of

2578
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:36,400
nations were represented

2579
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:40,639
um the the flags the the pomposity

2580
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:43,600
uh certainly the international cuisine

2581
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:44,560
that was offered

2582
01:43:47,590 --> 01:43:46,480
everybody but when it was all when it

2583
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:47,600
was all over

2584
01:43:50,870 --> 01:43:50,080
um and the crowd was dispersing the

2585
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:50,880
ambassadors

2586
01:43:56,310 --> 01:43:54,480
asked me to follow them to an a room and

2587
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:56,320
they brought me in and a moment later

2588
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:57,920
the prime minister now sir

2589
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:00,800
eric gary came in and shook my hand and

2590
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:02,639
they left us alone

2591
01:44:07,590 --> 01:44:05,280
and and he he congratulated me on the

2592
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:07,600
album he really enjoyed it

2593
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:10,320
he uh he said i understand you have an

2594
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:10,800
idea

2595
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:12,480
of something that you might be able to

2596
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:14,880
do to help us and i said well yes

2597
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:18,880
with all due respect sir gary

2598
01:44:23,430 --> 01:44:21,119
i don't think the un is paying attention

2599
01:44:26,950 --> 01:44:23,440
to what you'd like to do at the un

2600
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:26,960
about ufos and and yet

2601
01:44:31,830 --> 01:44:29,760
if you were interested in having some of

2602
01:44:34,870 --> 01:44:31,840
these people who were on my album

2603
01:44:35,590 --> 01:44:34,880
show up at a big meeting and give

2604
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:35,600
speeches

2605
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:39,679
on your behalf we could help each other

2606
01:44:44,229 --> 01:44:42,800
i believe he said well i like that idea

2607
01:44:44,629 --> 01:44:44,239
because i don't know how to get in touch

2608
01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:44,639
with

2609
01:44:48,149 --> 01:44:46,639
these people and i said well that's why

2610
01:44:51,189 --> 01:44:48,159
i'm here are you interested

2611
01:44:53,350 --> 01:44:51,199
and i gave him a copy of the proposal

2612
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:53,360
that i had put together of what i wanted

2613
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:55,199
to do how i wanted to present this

2614
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:56,639
the things i wanted to give out to the

2615
01:45:02,629 --> 01:44:58,880
media and the the other countries

2616
01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:02,639
and um and right there he um we shook on

2617
01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:03,119
it

2618
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:04,880
and he said yes i i would like to work

2619
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:06,400
with you on this and

2620
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:10,480
over a handshake deal shortly after that

2621
01:45:15,030 --> 01:45:12,639
two things came from them i started

2622
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:15,040
getting re i started getting checks

2623
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:17,760
from the the national bank or the united

2624
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:18,400
bank

2625
01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:21,360
of grenada they they were sending me

2626
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:22,080
checks

2627
01:45:25,510 --> 01:45:24,639
to cover my expenses for the rest of

2628
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:25,520
that year

2629
01:45:29,430 --> 01:45:27,600
where i'd have to travel meeting with

2630
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:29,440
people collecting documents and

2631
01:45:33,189 --> 01:45:32,159
just arranging things leading up to what

2632
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:33,199
we were going to do

2633
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:36,639
in november of 1978 and so they paid for

2634
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:37,840
all that which was great

2635
01:45:41,189 --> 01:45:39,520
i didn't have to pay anything out of my

2636
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:41,199
pocket

2637
01:45:45,590 --> 01:45:44,159
i knew that there were some times when i

2638
01:45:47,590 --> 01:45:45,600
was at home in my apartment

2639
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:47,600
where i'd go to pick up the phone and i

2640
01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:49,520
actually instead of hearing a dial tone

2641
01:45:53,669 --> 01:45:50,880
i could hear breathing

2642
01:45:54,310 --> 01:45:53,679
i'm going aha i'm i think i'm striking a

2643
01:45:57,510 --> 01:45:54,320
nerve

2644
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:57,520
somewhere right right did you um at that

2645
01:46:02,310 --> 01:45:58,800
point

2646
01:46:05,590 --> 01:46:02,320
uh you've got stanton friedman

2647
01:46:08,550 --> 01:46:05,600
you've got jay alan heineck um

2648
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:08,560
how were they and of course uh jacques

2649
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:10,320
valet was brought in

2650
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:13,760
too as well how open was stanton

2651
01:46:17,270 --> 01:46:14,560
friedman

2652
01:46:18,310 --> 01:46:17,280
and jay allen heineck to this project

2653
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:18,320
are you kidding

2654
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:20,800
stanton friedman would would have loved

2655
01:46:24,550 --> 01:46:22,080
that man so much

2656
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:24,560
he would have taken every opportunity to

2657
01:46:29,350 --> 01:46:25,600
speak in front of

2658
01:46:34,950 --> 01:46:33,109
his basic premises some ufos

2659
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:34,960
are literally somebody else's

2660
01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:36,480
intelligently controlled

2661
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:39,040
extraterrestrial spacecraft forget all

2662
01:46:42,070 --> 01:46:40,560
the other ones that can be explained

2663
01:46:43,510 --> 01:46:42,080
there's a residue that can't be

2664
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:43,520
explained and i'm saying that there's

2665
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:45,760
enough anecdotal evidence

2666
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:48,639
that it's out there so he every place he

2667
01:46:51,910 --> 01:46:49,679
went

2668
01:46:52,709 --> 01:46:51,920
he he had the same idea this is what he

2669
01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:52,719
was promoting

2670
01:46:57,189 --> 01:46:55,520
for decades alan heineck was was

2671
01:46:59,270 --> 01:46:57,199
thrilled i sent alan heineck

2672
01:47:00,470 --> 01:46:59,280
my proposal this is what i'd like to do

2673
01:47:03,030 --> 01:47:00,480
in november

2674
01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:03,040
i want you to be my main speaker are you

2675
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:04,400
on board with this

2676
01:47:09,270 --> 01:47:06,080
and i think i may have sent you the

2677
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:09,280
letter yes that alan said that he

2678
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:11,600
absolutely he loved my proposal and

2679
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:12,960
thought he'd like to be there to answer

2680
01:47:15,350 --> 01:47:14,320
any questions and i said no

2681
01:47:16,550 --> 01:47:15,360
i don't want you there to answer

2682
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:16,560
questions i want you there to do a

2683
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:17,520
speech

2684
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:19,760
i want you to talk to the u.n to the

2685
01:47:23,430 --> 01:47:20,960
nations

2686
01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:23,440
so while this is kind of all happening

2687
01:47:26,229 --> 01:47:24,239
um

2688
01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:26,239
i got a call one day now keep in mind

2689
01:47:30,870 --> 01:47:27,760
the timeline of this

2690
01:47:32,229 --> 01:47:30,880
this was in early 1978 when all this was

2691
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:32,239
going down

2692
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:34,800
this was just a few months after the

2693
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:36,320
release of the big

2694
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:39,280
holiday movie 1977 movie close

2695
01:47:44,470 --> 01:47:41,440
encounters of the third kind

2696
01:47:46,709 --> 01:47:44,480
okay so i was aware of that i knew

2697
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:46,719
people were talking about ufos

2698
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:48,960
i get a call from a man named marvin

2699
01:47:53,270 --> 01:47:50,320
levy who was the

2700
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:53,280
columbia pictures head of publicity and

2701
01:47:56,070 --> 01:47:54,800
to this day i believe he is still

2702
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:56,080
stephen spielberg's

2703
01:48:01,590 --> 01:47:59,360
personal publicist marvin called me

2704
01:48:03,109 --> 01:48:01,600
and said that he was calling on behalf

2705
01:48:05,990 --> 01:48:03,119
of steven spielberg

2706
01:48:07,590 --> 01:48:06,000
they wanted to know if i had some time

2707
01:48:10,629 --> 01:48:07,600
could i come out to hollywood

2708
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:10,639
and meet with stephen and dr heineck and

2709
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:12,560
dr jacques valet

2710
01:48:18,149 --> 01:48:15,920
and i'm like slapping myself silly

2711
01:48:19,350 --> 01:48:18,159
looking for anybody to pinch me squeeze

2712
01:48:21,270 --> 01:48:19,360
me are you kidding

2713
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:21,280
and yeah i wanted i wanted to get really

2714
01:48:24,629 --> 01:48:22,639
funny and say something like

2715
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:24,639
oh let me just check my schedule and see

2716
01:48:28,229 --> 01:48:26,000
uh

2717
01:48:29,189 --> 01:48:28,239
when what day what moment do you want me

2718
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:29,199
there

2719
01:48:35,750 --> 01:48:32,239
and

2720
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:35,760
time that i met jacques

2721
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:39,040
was on the way to steven's office

2722
01:48:42,709 --> 01:48:41,360
uh to have that meeting with him and and

2723
01:48:45,590 --> 01:48:42,719
so it was just

2724
01:48:47,430 --> 01:48:45,600
the four of us in his office talking and

2725
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:47,440
and that's where i also found out

2726
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:49,520
that he apparently knew about the un

2727
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:51,679
thing from alan heineck

2728
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:54,320
because alan had told spielberg about

2729
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:55,199
the album

2730
01:48:58,709 --> 01:48:58,320
that i had produced that he was on and

2731
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:58,719
so

2732
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:00,639
stephen wanted to know what what can i

2733
01:49:03,350 --> 01:49:02,480
do to help what you guys are going to be

2734
01:49:05,990 --> 01:49:03,360
doing there

2735
01:49:06,550 --> 01:49:06,000
and we talked talked it out and what

2736
01:49:08,950 --> 01:49:06,560
they

2737
01:49:10,149 --> 01:49:08,960
columbia pictures eventually did was to

2738
01:49:12,950 --> 01:49:10,159
send me

2739
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:12,960
a lot of promotional and background

2740
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:14,159
historical information

2741
01:49:17,910 --> 01:49:16,960
about ufos that stephen had gathered in

2742
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:17,920
the production

2743
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:20,080
of close encounters and they they

2744
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:21,840
forwarded all that stuff to me that i

2745
01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:22,320
could just

2746
01:49:25,350 --> 01:49:24,239
sift through it and pick and choose

2747
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:25,360
whatever i wanted

2748
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:28,560
to include it in our information packet

2749
01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:32,400
the uh the image uh my favorite image of

2750
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:33,360
all of these

2751
01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:37,040
is a still of the uh of the film

2752
01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:40,159
and uh because it's got the elements of

2753
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:41,040
everything

2754
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:43,360
you've got jacques valet sitting right

2755
01:49:47,350 --> 01:49:44,239
there

2756
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:47,360
at the u.n with the uh the grenada

2757
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:50,159
country name plaque right how classic is

2758
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:50,560
that

2759
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:53,280
but it's it's jacques with the hair so

2760
01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:53,679
you got

2761
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:56,159
jock with the hair in the background

2762
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:57,360
you've got hynek

2763
01:50:03,430 --> 01:50:01,040
puffing on his pipe of course at the u.n

2764
01:50:04,310 --> 01:50:03,440
and then you in the upper left-hand

2765
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:04,320
corner

2766
01:50:11,990 --> 01:50:07,920
photobombing with uh one of the uh

2767
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:12,000
grenada ambassadors it's a classic shot

2768
01:50:15,109 --> 01:50:13,360
how does that make you feel man it

2769
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:15,119
doesn't get any better does it

2770
01:50:21,830 --> 01:50:18,480
when i saw that keep in mind

2771
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:21,840
it took me 40 years

2772
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:24,000
to finally get the footage of the

2773
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:26,480
presentation that we did in 1978.

2774
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:28,880
so i didn't know at the time i didn't

2775
01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:30,320
even know the concept what the word

2776
01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:31,360
photobombing

2777
01:50:39,990 --> 01:50:38,629
i was there because i was kind of the

2778
01:50:40,870 --> 01:50:40,000
ringleader of all this and so while

2779
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:40,880
jacques was

2780
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:43,119
delivering his speech i had every right

2781
01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:44,159
to be there

2782
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:47,199
um i sat down behind him

2783
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:49,440
um because i had to discuss something

2784
01:50:53,510 --> 01:50:50,400
with the

2785
01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:53,520
grenada ambassador i didn't know

2786
01:50:56,950 --> 01:50:56,239
that that i was being shot or that i was

2787
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:56,960
going to be in

2788
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:58,960
in an image at all and it happened a

2789
01:51:02,709 --> 01:51:00,719
couple of other times too

2790
01:51:04,629 --> 01:51:02,719
um because i didn't stay there very long

2791
01:51:05,990 --> 01:51:04,639
but just long enough when we finally got

2792
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:06,000
all the footage

2793
01:51:09,510 --> 01:51:08,000
and that's an incredible story by itself

2794
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:09,520
but when we finally got it

2795
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:12,080
a few years ago i i wanted to make sure

2796
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:13,199
that everything was there

2797
01:51:16,870 --> 01:51:15,199
and i sat down and i watched it i

2798
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:16,880
watched every moment of it because i

2799
01:51:20,470 --> 01:51:17,840
hadn't seen it

2800
01:51:21,430 --> 01:51:20,480
in 40 years nobody had ever seen it

2801
01:51:23,189 --> 01:51:21,440
before

2802
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:23,199
and and so i was now looking at it for

2803
01:51:26,709 --> 01:51:24,560
the first time in 40 years

2804
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:26,719
and i'm watching and watching and i see

2805
01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:28,320
this guy moving behind

2806
01:51:31,910 --> 01:51:29,920
behind highneck and behind the

2807
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:31,920
ambassador and sitting down i'm going

2808
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:35,520
holy god that's me that's me oh my god

2809
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:39,040
at the united nations yeah yeah

2810
01:51:43,830 --> 01:51:42,320
not too many people get to uh uh have a

2811
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:43,840
run at life

2812
01:51:47,750 --> 01:51:45,840
and and and say that they were at the

2813
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:47,760
united nations and especially something

2814
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:48,239
as

2815
01:51:54,870 --> 01:51:53,520
the press conference photographs which

2816
01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:54,880
are great and you're all

2817
01:51:59,990 --> 01:51:56,800
in line and yeah and the press

2818
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:00,000
conference but the presentation itself

2819
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:03,199
that is a moment in time and it is

2820
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:06,400
extraordinary uh i often wonder who uh

2821
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:08,960
jacques used to style his hair but it

2822
01:52:12,709 --> 01:52:10,400
was

2823
01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:12,719
invisible you see that other picture the

2824
01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:14,080
black and white picture where he and i

2825
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:15,760
are sitting on opposite sides of the

2826
01:52:17,990 --> 01:52:16,560
table

2827
01:52:20,629 --> 01:52:18,000
in the conference room where the

2828
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:20,639
secretary general is sitting

2829
01:52:24,709 --> 01:52:22,880
at the head of the table the one from

2830
01:52:26,229 --> 01:52:24,719
july of 1978

2831
01:52:28,149 --> 01:52:26,239
and jacques that was where jacques and i

2832
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:28,159
first met as alan heineck brought him

2833
01:52:32,629 --> 01:52:28,800
into

2834
01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:32,639
who he was i knew that

2835
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:36,080
that he was portrayed uh by francois

2836
01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:36,960
truffaut

2837
01:52:41,669 --> 01:52:39,360
right in close encounters so it was just

2838
01:52:44,310 --> 01:52:41,679
cool to meet him finally

2839
01:52:45,510 --> 01:52:44,320
but uh and just to hear that voice and

2840
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:45,520
we kept looking at each other

2841
01:52:48,629 --> 01:52:47,760
from across the table if you had a

2842
01:52:50,470 --> 01:52:48,639
thought bubble

2843
01:52:52,229 --> 01:52:50,480
above our heads you probably could have

2844
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:52,239
heard my hair is better than yours

2845
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:53,920
no your hair's not better than mine i'm

2846
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:55,840
having a better day

2847
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:59,360
so now um and to close this out probably

2848
01:53:03,750 --> 01:52:59,679
yeah

2849
01:53:06,870 --> 01:53:03,760
for me and it's uh it's amazing how

2850
01:53:09,430 --> 01:53:06,880
the universe connects the dots

2851
01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:09,440
on everything you can't escape it the

2852
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:10,719
universe is going to

2853
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:13,679
solve your issues for you you hadn't

2854
01:53:17,669 --> 01:53:15,599
seen the footage in 40 years

2855
01:53:18,709 --> 01:53:17,679
40 years now you leave the huffington

2856
01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:18,719
post

2857
01:53:23,109 --> 01:53:21,040
now you're working with james fox you're

2858
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:23,119
working on the phenomenon

2859
01:53:27,270 --> 01:53:26,800
you guys are uh researching collecting

2860
01:53:30,470 --> 01:53:27,280
data

2861
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:30,480
doing everything that you can and it was

2862
01:53:36,149 --> 01:53:33,920
james fox and his sister his sister yeah

2863
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:36,159
that that managed to pull this off and

2864
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:37,840
get the footage of the u.n

2865
01:53:42,870 --> 01:53:40,480
and if if the phenomenon hadn't happened

2866
01:53:46,149 --> 01:53:42,880
if you hadn't left the huffington post

2867
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:46,159
if if right right right it's crazy how

2868
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:47,760
life works isn't it

2869
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:50,800
i it it really is amazing i couldn't

2870
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:52,320
have written this

2871
01:53:58,629 --> 01:53:55,840
as a screenplay uh of of any kind

2872
01:53:59,189 --> 01:53:58,639
because every time i tried to find

2873
01:54:00,629 --> 01:53:59,199
footage

2874
01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:00,639
and they've been little leaks over the

2875
01:54:04,070 --> 01:54:02,719
years of people who were there at the un

2876
01:54:05,830 --> 01:54:04,080
who had their little

2877
01:54:07,510 --> 01:54:05,840
polaroid or their own somatic cameras

2878
01:54:10,070 --> 01:54:07,520
and they took a picture of tune

2879
01:54:11,910 --> 01:54:10,080
blurry and not really great and and i

2880
01:54:14,709 --> 01:54:11,920
was always really upset that i

2881
01:54:15,430 --> 01:54:14,719
never had that video of the presentation

2882
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:15,440
because

2883
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:18,239
when i made the deal with grenada in 78

2884
01:54:22,310 --> 01:54:19,599
they sent a letter

2885
01:54:24,629 --> 01:54:22,320
on their letterhead to all the nations

2886
01:54:27,430 --> 01:54:24,639
and to the media and it basically said

2887
01:54:28,870 --> 01:54:27,440
for our upcoming ufo presentation in

2888
01:54:32,629 --> 01:54:28,880
november

2889
01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:32,639
of 78 um producer lee spiegel

2890
01:54:38,709 --> 01:54:36,159
has the filming rights to to film this

2891
01:54:39,270 --> 01:54:38,719
and and at the very last minute they

2892
01:54:40,790 --> 01:54:39,280
told me

2893
01:54:42,390 --> 01:54:40,800
that according to the prime according to

2894
01:54:43,669 --> 01:54:42,400
them the prime minister said

2895
01:54:45,430 --> 01:54:43,679
i wouldn't have to bring my own camera

2896
01:54:46,870 --> 01:54:45,440
crew and they were going to film it and

2897
01:54:49,830 --> 01:54:46,880
they would give me a copy of it

2898
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:49,840
and i believed that but that's but that

2899
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:51,280
didn't happen

2900
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:53,599
and so when i started asking questions

2901
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:56,000
well when can i expect my copy

2902
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:57,199
oh well there were some technical

2903
01:55:01,669 --> 01:54:59,360
difficulties we couldn't get it all and

2904
01:55:03,189 --> 01:55:01,679
and so i thought well it's gone forever

2905
01:55:06,870 --> 01:55:03,199
so fast forward

2906
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:06,880
to 2018 40 years later

2907
01:55:12,229 --> 01:55:09,760
james gets a call from his sister kelly

2908
01:55:15,430 --> 01:55:12,239
who is doing all kinds of amazing

2909
01:55:18,149 --> 01:55:15,440
archival research for us to to find

2910
01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:18,159
incredible images to put into the

2911
01:55:22,149 --> 01:55:19,840
phenomenon film

2912
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:22,159
and she was going through some some

2913
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:22,960
images

2914
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:26,880
and videos from cbs the cbs archives

2915
01:55:30,790 --> 01:55:29,760
and she found something where in the

2916
01:55:34,550 --> 01:55:30,800
table of contents

2917
01:55:37,430 --> 01:55:34,560
it lists something called important u.n

2918
01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:37,440
ufo meeting and that's all it said and

2919
01:55:41,270 --> 01:55:37,920
she

2920
01:55:42,790 --> 01:55:41,280
thing here but i don't know what it is

2921
01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:42,800
do you think we might want it and james

2922
01:55:46,950 --> 01:55:44,320
said i don't know can you

2923
01:55:47,669 --> 01:55:46,960
give them can can you release a couple

2924
01:55:49,589 --> 01:55:47,679
of clips

2925
01:55:51,350 --> 01:55:49,599
right even though it's still at that

2926
01:55:54,390 --> 01:55:51,360
point had the watermark

2927
01:55:56,870 --> 01:55:54,400
on every frame okay so

2928
01:55:58,149 --> 01:55:56,880
she sent over some stuff to him he

2929
01:55:59,589 --> 01:55:58,159
called me in new york and the first

2930
01:56:01,750 --> 01:55:59,599
thing he said to me was

2931
01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:01,760
what have you been looking for for 40

2932
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:03,840
years that's right

2933
01:56:07,189 --> 01:56:05,520
you know and that's how that all began

2934
01:56:09,910 --> 01:56:07,199
it's like oh my god

2935
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:09,920
i said to him don't tease me because you

2936
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:11,440
know what i've been looking for

2937
01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:14,560
and if you tease me i'm quitting

2938
01:56:17,990 --> 01:56:17,360
he said we we've got it but the caveat

2939
01:56:20,149 --> 01:56:18,000
was

2940
01:56:21,589 --> 01:56:20,159
cbs has it and they'll be happy to give

2941
01:56:25,430 --> 01:56:21,599
it to us

2942
01:56:28,390 --> 01:56:25,440
for a price an hour and 45 minute

2943
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:28,400
presentation we can have it for 90

2944
01:56:33,589 --> 01:56:30,719
dollars per second

2945
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:33,599
which is the standard television fees

2946
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:34,080
for

2947
01:56:41,109 --> 01:56:37,760
anything it's 90 per

2948
01:56:43,910 --> 01:56:41,119
second i said no james

2949
01:56:44,470 --> 01:56:43,920
this is mine we we've got to get around

2950
01:56:47,189 --> 01:56:44,480
this some

2951
01:56:49,030 --> 01:56:47,199
somehow and that's when i said to him

2952
01:56:49,589 --> 01:56:49,040
james i have a letter in my filing

2953
01:56:52,629 --> 01:56:49,599
cabinet

2954
01:56:53,350 --> 01:56:52,639
that's 40 years old from grenada that

2955
01:56:56,229 --> 01:56:53,360
says that

2956
01:56:57,830 --> 01:56:56,239
i had the complete filming rights to it

2957
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:57,840
he said you got a letter that says that

2958
01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:59,040
and i said yeah

2959
01:57:02,470 --> 01:57:00,719
would you like me to email it over to

2960
01:57:04,709 --> 01:57:02,480
you he said yeah let me see it

2961
01:57:06,070 --> 01:57:04,719
then he and then he said this is great

2962
01:57:07,589 --> 01:57:06,080
this is great this is like

2963
01:57:09,189 --> 01:57:07,599
this means that you own the film and i

2964
01:57:10,709 --> 01:57:09,199
said well i don't know if i owned the

2965
01:57:12,709 --> 01:57:10,719
film but

2966
01:57:14,070 --> 01:57:12,719
leave it in my hands let me see what i

2967
01:57:16,470 --> 01:57:14,080
can do about this situation

2968
01:57:17,270 --> 01:57:16,480
because i'm coming away from this with

2969
01:57:20,790 --> 01:57:17,280
this video

2970
01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:20,800
right this is mine uh

2971
01:57:25,350 --> 01:57:23,360
without spending without spending 200

2972
01:57:28,870 --> 01:57:25,360
grand

2973
01:57:32,229 --> 01:57:28,880
exactly okay so and

2974
01:57:35,589 --> 01:57:32,239
the other part to this and i remember uh

2975
01:57:39,430 --> 01:57:35,599
speaking uh to james directly

2976
01:57:39,750 --> 01:57:39,440
the i just like anybody else in ufology

2977
01:57:43,270 --> 01:57:39,760
right

2978
01:57:46,310 --> 01:57:43,280
have

2979
01:57:47,910 --> 01:57:46,320
and you've seen it all and and i go and

2980
01:57:51,350 --> 01:57:47,920
i watch the phenomenon

2981
01:57:51,990 --> 01:57:51,360
and it is one scene after another from

2982
01:57:55,350 --> 01:57:52,000
the beginning

2983
01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:55,360
to the end where i am learning

2984
01:57:58,470 --> 01:57:58,080
i'm seeing things i haven't seen before

2985
01:58:00,950 --> 01:57:58,480
yeah

2986
01:58:01,910 --> 01:58:00,960
right and that's ultimately that's what

2987
01:58:04,950 --> 01:58:01,920
uh the film

2988
01:58:06,310 --> 01:58:04,960
uh uh that's how it was put together

2989
01:58:08,550 --> 01:58:06,320
this was stuff

2990
01:58:09,350 --> 01:58:08,560
for people that aren't part of the ufo

2991
01:58:12,070 --> 01:58:09,360
community

2992
01:58:12,709 --> 01:58:12,080
but for those that are you're striking

2993
01:58:15,589 --> 01:58:12,719
gold

2994
01:58:17,350 --> 01:58:15,599
right in every scene well we we wanted

2995
01:58:20,310 --> 01:58:17,360
to do that but you know what

2996
01:58:21,350 --> 01:58:20,320
jimmy i've read a lot of comments and

2997
01:58:23,510 --> 01:58:21,360
and people who

2998
01:58:25,030 --> 01:58:23,520
were were being very negative not just

2999
01:58:27,109 --> 01:58:25,040
because they were skeptical

3000
01:58:29,350 --> 01:58:27,119
about the subject matter but there were

3001
01:58:31,589 --> 01:58:29,360
people who were saying or writing

3002
01:58:32,470 --> 01:58:31,599
well what's what's james fox up to all

3003
01:58:34,229 --> 01:58:32,480
that he's showing us

3004
01:58:36,229 --> 01:58:34,239
is he's just he's just giving us like

3005
01:58:36,950 --> 01:58:36,239
another laundry list of all the same old

3006
01:58:38,709 --> 01:58:36,960
cases

3007
01:58:40,310 --> 01:58:38,719
that we've all seen and heard about over

3008
01:58:41,189 --> 01:58:40,320
the years you know why don't you give us

3009
01:58:43,350 --> 01:58:41,199
something new

3010
01:58:45,109 --> 01:58:43,360
and and no they're wrong about that

3011
01:58:46,950 --> 01:58:45,119
there are so many things about even the

3012
01:58:47,430 --> 01:58:46,960
more familiar cases that we've given

3013
01:58:50,310 --> 01:58:47,440
them

3014
01:58:51,990 --> 01:58:50,320
new stuff that they've never seen uh we

3015
01:58:53,990 --> 01:58:52,000
didn't want to leave anybody out there's

3016
01:58:57,109 --> 01:58:54,000
great material there

3017
01:58:59,669 --> 01:58:57,119
i felt um that

3018
01:59:01,669 --> 01:58:59,679
the the cases from the beginning of the

3019
01:59:04,709 --> 01:59:01,679
film the b-25 case

3020
01:59:07,270 --> 01:59:04,719
right um from with coleman from the

3021
01:59:10,870 --> 01:59:07,280
beginning of the film to the end

3022
01:59:14,709 --> 01:59:10,880
each segment had stuff that i had

3023
01:59:18,229 --> 01:59:14,719
never seen before i did not

3024
01:59:21,350 --> 01:59:18,239
know i didn't and i just thought that

3025
01:59:24,310 --> 01:59:21,360
it was um

3026
01:59:25,669 --> 01:59:24,320
a situation again i keep saying i told

3027
01:59:27,910 --> 01:59:25,679
james this but i did because

3028
01:59:28,790 --> 01:59:27,920
james would ask me what's your favorite

3029
01:59:30,149 --> 01:59:28,800
scene in the film

3030
01:59:32,629 --> 01:59:30,159
what's your favorite thing what's your

3031
01:59:35,910 --> 01:59:32,639
best takeaway which it's like james i'm

3032
01:59:39,430 --> 01:59:35,920
learning stuff here there are elements

3033
01:59:41,189 --> 01:59:39,440
in each segment of the film that nobody

3034
01:59:42,950 --> 01:59:41,199
has ever seen before

3035
01:59:45,189 --> 01:59:42,960
and and he didn't let his foot off the

3036
01:59:48,629 --> 01:59:45,199
gas it's easy to telephone it in

3037
01:59:50,070 --> 01:59:48,639
on films like this isn't it oh of course

3038
01:59:51,830 --> 01:59:50,080
because you already have so much

3039
01:59:53,589 --> 01:59:51,840
material so many cases

3040
01:59:55,510 --> 01:59:53,599
that you you don't have to really dig

3041
01:59:58,709 --> 01:59:55,520
much more unless you really

3042
02:00:01,910 --> 01:59:58,719
want to this i kept calling this film

3043
02:00:04,229 --> 02:00:01,920
you this is ufo 101

3044
02:00:05,109 --> 02:00:04,239
this is this is like the primer if

3045
02:00:07,270 --> 02:00:05,119
whether you know

3046
02:00:09,189 --> 02:00:07,280
nothing about ufos or you know a little

3047
02:00:11,270 --> 02:00:09,199
bit or you've read some or you've been

3048
02:00:12,470 --> 02:00:11,280
involved with it or interested for years

3049
02:00:16,229 --> 02:00:12,480
you are going to

3050
02:00:19,669 --> 02:00:16,239
learn something uh i i've seen the film

3051
02:00:21,430 --> 02:00:19,679
so so many times and

3052
02:00:23,430 --> 02:00:21,440
one of the reasons because i had to

3053
02:00:25,669 --> 02:00:23,440
because i i did the transcription

3054
02:00:27,109 --> 02:00:25,679
of the entire film word for word

3055
02:00:29,669 --> 02:00:27,119
including all the narration

3056
02:00:31,109 --> 02:00:29,679
the script all the talking heads of

3057
02:00:33,990 --> 02:00:31,119
people that were interviewed

3058
02:00:35,750 --> 02:00:34,000
i i needed to give a complete clean

3059
02:00:36,870 --> 02:00:35,760
transcription so it could be turned into

3060
02:00:39,830 --> 02:00:36,880
different languages

3061
02:00:41,189 --> 02:00:39,840
and so i had to live this the final

3062
02:00:44,790 --> 02:00:41,199
piece of this film

3063
02:00:46,870 --> 02:00:44,800
over and over and and i i kept smiling

3064
02:00:47,990 --> 02:00:46,880
with wonderment at what i was hearing

3065
02:00:50,870 --> 02:00:48,000
the people that were

3066
02:00:52,470 --> 02:00:50,880
that came to us who wanted to talk from

3067
02:00:55,030 --> 02:00:52,480
from christopher mellon to

3068
02:00:57,189 --> 02:00:55,040
harry reid uh to to bill coleman with

3069
02:00:59,109 --> 02:00:57,199
that b-25 incident

3070
02:01:00,709 --> 02:00:59,119
there was so much in there that hadn't

3071
02:01:03,109 --> 02:01:00,719
come out before

3072
02:01:04,229 --> 02:01:03,119
and people people want to have a hair

3073
02:01:07,030 --> 02:01:04,239
across their butt

3074
02:01:09,669 --> 02:01:07,040
over so many things they'll argue about

3075
02:01:11,669 --> 02:01:09,679
anything

3076
02:01:13,030 --> 02:01:11,679
i want to ask you the one quote i've got

3077
02:01:15,189 --> 02:01:13,040
uh 40

3078
02:01:16,629 --> 02:01:15,199
30 seconds now yeah the one question

3079
02:01:18,070 --> 02:01:16,639
that james hit me with

3080
02:01:19,750 --> 02:01:18,080
so many times over the years i'm going

3081
02:01:23,030 --> 02:01:19,760
to ask you but you only get

3082
02:01:25,830 --> 02:01:23,040
one answer that's it okay

3083
02:01:26,629 --> 02:01:25,840
okay what's your favorite scene in the

3084
02:01:29,270 --> 02:01:26,639
film

3085
02:01:29,830 --> 02:01:29,280
the flying saucer going across the field

3086
02:01:32,470 --> 02:01:29,840
kicking

3087
02:01:33,750 --> 02:01:32,480
swirling dusts off as coleman is

3088
02:01:36,790 --> 02:01:33,760
describing it

3089
02:01:39,109 --> 02:01:36,800
i'm i'm it takes my breath away

3090
02:01:40,790 --> 02:01:39,119
every time i see yeah that's a that's a

3091
02:01:43,669 --> 02:01:40,800
pretty extraordinary scene

3092
02:01:45,589 --> 02:01:43,679
uh and james uh what what i found

3093
02:01:46,870 --> 02:01:45,599
interesting i i kept giving him

3094
02:01:48,790 --> 02:01:46,880
different answers

3095
02:01:51,109 --> 02:01:48,800
because i was watching everything

3096
02:01:52,629 --> 02:01:51,119
improve but my favorite scene is the

3097
02:01:55,990 --> 02:01:52,639
park bench in australia

3098
02:01:59,750 --> 02:01:56,000
in the melbourne uh oh the polaroid yeah

3099
02:02:03,109 --> 02:01:59,760
in west all but james's

3100
02:02:04,149 --> 02:02:03,119
favorite part was jesse zamora and he

3101
02:02:08,950 --> 02:02:04,159
was trying

3102
02:02:15,589 --> 02:02:12,149
you know and and and ultimately

3103
02:02:17,910 --> 02:02:15,599
the jesse zamora section of the film

3104
02:02:19,589 --> 02:02:17,920
may be my favorite now too as well and i

3105
02:02:21,030 --> 02:02:19,599
understand why

3106
02:02:22,629 --> 02:02:21,040
now tell me maybe i don't know what the

3107
02:02:24,550 --> 02:02:22,639
jesse part of it is even though

3108
02:02:25,830 --> 02:02:24,560
it's because i only know it as lonnie or

3109
02:02:28,629 --> 02:02:25,840
lonnie did i say

3110
02:02:29,109 --> 02:02:28,639
jesse many times that's his cousin his

3111
02:02:31,669 --> 02:02:29,119
cousin

3112
02:02:33,270 --> 02:02:31,679
jesse a lot of people don't know that

3113
02:02:37,189 --> 02:02:33,280
that jesse

3114
02:02:38,790 --> 02:02:37,199
was in the car he was in the trunk

3115
02:02:41,669 --> 02:02:38,800
thank you for throwing me under the bus

3116
02:02:43,589 --> 02:02:41,679
lee this is fade to black

3117
02:02:45,030 --> 02:02:43,599
our guest tonight lee spiegel jesse

3118
02:02:46,550 --> 02:02:45,040
zamora

3119
02:02:48,470 --> 02:02:46,560
this is not the first time i've done

3120
02:02:49,430 --> 02:02:48,480
that by the way i don't know who jesse

3121
02:02:51,750 --> 02:02:49,440
zamora is

3122
02:02:53,350 --> 02:02:51,760
i have no idea he's famous now though

3123
02:02:54,870 --> 02:02:53,360
we'll be right back after this short

3124
02:02:58,870 --> 02:02:54,880
break more with lee spiegel

3125
02:03:06,550 --> 02:03:00,310
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3195
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:11,040
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3196
02:06:18,550 --> 02:06:16,400
that pony

3197
02:06:20,870 --> 02:06:18,560
this is fade to black with jimmy church

3198
02:06:32,740 --> 02:06:20,880
on the game changer radio network

3199
02:06:39,589 --> 02:06:37,910
[Music]

3200
02:06:41,109 --> 02:06:39,599
welcome back paid to black i am your

3201
02:06:42,709 --> 02:06:41,119
host jimmy church i guess tonight lee

3202
02:06:45,270 --> 02:06:42,719
spiegel

3203
02:06:46,470 --> 02:06:45,280
and it's it's very interesting how i

3204
02:06:48,390 --> 02:06:46,480
laid this out tonight

3205
02:06:49,510 --> 02:06:48,400
and it's all done with intention to

3206
02:06:52,870 --> 02:06:49,520
weave uh

3207
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:52,880
lee's incredible life um how everything

3208
02:06:58,310 --> 02:06:54,480
comes together full circle

3209
02:06:59,990 --> 02:06:58,320
and uh the the the projects uh

3210
02:07:02,550 --> 02:07:00,000
the phenomenon and the film and its

3211
02:07:05,750 --> 02:07:02,560
success everything is tied in together

3212
02:07:08,470 --> 02:07:05,760
and it's it's just an interesting uh

3213
02:07:10,390 --> 02:07:08,480
thing how the universe it connects and

3214
02:07:13,510 --> 02:07:10,400
will not allow you to forget

3215
02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:13,520
and lee are an example of that and uh

3216
02:07:19,270 --> 02:07:16,800
with the phenomenon now going back and

3217
02:07:20,550 --> 02:07:19,280
your relationship with with everybody

3218
02:07:22,950 --> 02:07:20,560
over the years

3219
02:07:23,750 --> 02:07:22,960
um and and certainly jacques valet is a

3220
02:07:26,550 --> 02:07:23,760
part of this

3221
02:07:27,109 --> 02:07:26,560
and now you're circling back and and

3222
02:07:31,109 --> 02:07:27,119
here you

3223
02:07:33,750 --> 02:07:31,119
are uh you know going into uh 2020

3224
02:07:35,990 --> 02:07:33,760
uh working once again with jacques vale

3225
02:07:39,030 --> 02:07:36,000
and this very important film project

3226
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:39,040
uh tell us about that

3227
02:07:42,390 --> 02:07:41,520
initially uh jacques didn't want to have

3228
02:07:45,669 --> 02:07:42,400
anything to do

3229
02:07:46,709 --> 02:07:45,679
with the film he he was just not happy

3230
02:07:50,310 --> 02:07:46,719
about

3231
02:07:53,430 --> 02:07:50,320
the ufo community in general and

3232
02:07:54,149 --> 02:07:53,440
and and so he he didn't want to be part

3233
02:07:57,750 --> 02:07:54,159
of

3234
02:08:00,950 --> 02:07:57,760
disappointed

3235
02:08:03,990 --> 02:08:00,960
as many of us had been in the past

3236
02:08:06,390 --> 02:08:04,000
and and so he said he'd be interested in

3237
02:08:08,069 --> 02:08:06,400
maybe helping us along with the script

3238
02:08:12,149 --> 02:08:08,079
to make sure that we kept things

3239
02:08:14,790 --> 02:08:12,159
as credible as possible but when

3240
02:08:17,589 --> 02:08:14,800
when it became more clear to him who

3241
02:08:21,109 --> 02:08:17,599
some of our initial benefactors were

3242
02:08:22,870 --> 02:08:21,119
to to get the film off the ground he

3243
02:08:25,189 --> 02:08:22,880
started he started singing a different

3244
02:08:26,310 --> 02:08:25,199
tune and he said oh well in that case

3245
02:08:29,030 --> 02:08:26,320
because i i

3246
02:08:30,310 --> 02:08:29,040
believe in these people um yes i would

3247
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:30,320
like to become involved

3248
02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:33,599
with your film and um and in fact

3249
02:08:37,109 --> 02:08:35,599
i i think i would like to be in the film

3250
02:08:40,229 --> 02:08:37,119
now as well

3251
02:08:42,870 --> 02:08:40,239
and and then he seemed to be of a mind

3252
02:08:43,750 --> 02:08:42,880
to to want to become maybe even

3253
02:08:46,229 --> 02:08:43,760
contracted

3254
02:08:46,870 --> 02:08:46,239
to be our technical and spiritual

3255
02:08:50,229 --> 02:08:46,880
advisor

3256
02:08:53,430 --> 02:08:50,239
on this film and and so we worked out

3257
02:08:55,669 --> 02:08:53,440
that that entire deal and so he then

3258
02:08:57,990 --> 02:08:55,679
once we had it all in writing he took

3259
02:09:00,069 --> 02:08:58,000
every opportunity that he could

3260
02:09:02,069 --> 02:09:00,079
to to drive up from where he lives in

3261
02:09:04,149 --> 02:09:02,079
san francisco to come all the way up

3262
02:09:05,589 --> 02:09:04,159
beyond the golden gate bridge to

3263
02:09:06,790 --> 02:09:05,599
northern california where we were

3264
02:09:08,870 --> 02:09:06,800
working in the studio

3265
02:09:09,910 --> 02:09:08,880
he wanted to be there and sit with us in

3266
02:09:12,390 --> 02:09:09,920
the studio

3267
02:09:13,589 --> 02:09:12,400
and and work on the film and be a part

3268
02:09:16,550 --> 02:09:13,599
of it it was great

3269
02:09:18,390 --> 02:09:16,560
having him there uh he had truly changed

3270
02:09:22,310 --> 02:09:18,400
now i i just posted

3271
02:09:24,629 --> 02:09:22,320
up uh uh four images i've i've got more

3272
02:09:25,750 --> 02:09:24,639
everybody uh and i'll see if i can get

3273
02:09:28,790 --> 02:09:25,760
these in

3274
02:09:30,550 --> 02:09:28,800
um the first one i've got stuff with

3275
02:09:34,390 --> 02:09:30,560
jacques but the first one i posted is

3276
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:34,400
you holding uh the samples

3277
02:09:42,069 --> 02:09:37,920
of uh of of material

3278
02:09:44,229 --> 02:09:42,079
yes okay first off

3279
02:09:45,669 --> 02:09:44,239
so everybody understands what is it that

3280
02:09:48,870 --> 02:09:45,679
you're holding

3281
02:09:50,709 --> 02:09:48,880
i'm holding one of three canisters and

3282
02:09:52,870 --> 02:09:50,719
each of those canisters

3283
02:09:53,910 --> 02:09:52,880
has separate compartments and in each of

3284
02:09:57,669 --> 02:09:53,920
those compartments

3285
02:09:58,709 --> 02:09:57,679
are alleged i'll say alleged reported

3286
02:10:01,030 --> 02:09:58,719
fragments

3287
02:10:02,310 --> 02:10:01,040
meta materials people like to use that

3288
02:10:05,910 --> 02:10:02,320
phrase now

3289
02:10:10,390 --> 02:10:05,920
are from ufo crashes or

3290
02:10:12,870 --> 02:10:10,400
or incidents going back to the 1940s

3291
02:10:14,390 --> 02:10:12,880
and these are things that jacques valet

3292
02:10:16,470 --> 02:10:14,400
had and other serious

3293
02:10:17,830 --> 02:10:16,480
researchers and scientists have been

3294
02:10:21,030 --> 02:10:17,840
collecting

3295
02:10:21,830 --> 02:10:21,040
and until recently it was very difficult

3296
02:10:24,229 --> 02:10:21,840
to to

3297
02:10:25,350 --> 02:10:24,239
analyze some of these fragments because

3298
02:10:27,350 --> 02:10:25,360
they posed

3299
02:10:28,629 --> 02:10:27,360
so many challenges to science because of

3300
02:10:31,669 --> 02:10:28,639
some of the properties

3301
02:10:34,069 --> 02:10:31,679
the isotopes the the the excess

3302
02:10:35,669 --> 02:10:34,079
of different elements and things that we

3303
02:10:39,270 --> 02:10:35,679
didn't really know about

3304
02:10:42,750 --> 02:10:39,280
and so something had to be built and

3305
02:10:45,430 --> 02:10:42,760
and jacques valet has been working with

3306
02:10:46,629 --> 02:10:45,440
microbiologists macrobiologist gary

3307
02:10:49,910 --> 02:10:46,639
nolan

3308
02:10:51,430 --> 02:10:49,920
and who has been working for and with

3309
02:10:53,750 --> 02:10:51,440
the government for many years

3310
02:10:55,109 --> 02:10:53,760
working on things for them for medicine

3311
02:10:58,390 --> 02:10:55,119
new discoveries

3312
02:10:59,109 --> 02:10:58,400
and they they have built in a silicon

3313
02:11:03,189 --> 02:10:59,119
valley

3314
02:11:05,510 --> 02:11:03,199
laboratory this incredible machine

3315
02:11:06,629 --> 02:11:05,520
that when you first look at it i don't

3316
02:11:07,830 --> 02:11:06,639
know if you're showing

3317
02:11:11,189 --> 02:11:07,840
i'm going to do that i'm going to do

3318
02:11:13,910 --> 02:11:11,199
that image next good

3319
02:11:14,470 --> 02:11:13,920
um you you'll get a chance to see the

3320
02:11:19,270 --> 02:11:14,480
the

3321
02:11:22,069 --> 02:11:19,280
mark barish

3322
02:11:22,709 --> 02:11:22,079
uh is standing there next to this unit

3323
02:11:25,510 --> 02:11:22,719
at first

3324
02:11:26,870 --> 02:11:25,520
it looks like the white tube looks like

3325
02:11:28,629 --> 02:11:26,880
like a telescope tube

3326
02:11:29,990 --> 02:11:28,639
that you would normally see pointing up

3327
02:11:32,310 --> 02:11:30,000
to the heavens

3328
02:11:34,069 --> 02:11:32,320
but that's not what this is about this

3329
02:11:37,510 --> 02:11:34,079
thing is not pointing up

3330
02:11:40,390 --> 02:11:37,520
it's pointing down and it's going down

3331
02:11:42,790 --> 02:11:40,400
and able to photograph and see images to

3332
02:11:45,669 --> 02:11:42,800
the molecular structure of things

3333
02:11:46,470 --> 02:11:45,679
and that's that's image number two in

3334
02:11:49,510 --> 02:11:46,480
the group of

3335
02:11:50,229 --> 02:11:49,520
shots everybody the first one is is lee

3336
02:11:53,270 --> 02:11:50,239
holding

3337
02:11:56,470 --> 02:11:53,280
the canister of the different materials

3338
02:11:59,030 --> 02:11:56,480
uh the next image is that is just

3339
02:11:59,589 --> 02:11:59,040
insane looking to me by the way oh oh

3340
02:12:03,589 --> 02:11:59,599
yeah

3341
02:12:05,830 --> 02:12:03,599
it's uh of the machine uh the next image

3342
02:12:06,629 --> 02:12:05,840
uh real quick would just do this on the

3343
02:12:09,910 --> 02:12:06,639
group

3344
02:12:13,990 --> 02:12:09,920
is uh james and and jacques uh

3345
02:12:15,990 --> 02:12:14,000
on set uh interview who's uh the third

3346
02:12:17,990 --> 02:12:16,000
uh that that would be a gary nolan oh

3347
02:12:19,990 --> 02:12:18,000
that's gary nolan okay that's gary nelly

3348
02:12:22,790 --> 02:12:20,000
yeah it's good the gary nolan

3349
02:12:23,350 --> 02:12:22,800
and then the last image of course is uh

3350
02:12:26,709 --> 02:12:23,360
lee

3351
02:12:28,790 --> 02:12:26,719
james and and jacques um but back to

3352
02:12:30,229 --> 02:12:28,800
uh the metamaterials because the next

3353
02:12:33,189 --> 02:12:30,239
set of uh

3354
02:12:34,390 --> 02:12:33,199
images that i've got here is jacques and

3355
02:12:36,870 --> 02:12:34,400
james

3356
02:12:38,229 --> 02:12:36,880
uh on set with three of the canisters

3357
02:12:41,270 --> 02:12:38,239
and they're labeled

3358
02:12:41,910 --> 02:12:41,280
uh the next shot is the close-up and

3359
02:12:44,790 --> 02:12:41,920
thank you

3360
02:12:47,589 --> 02:12:44,800
for does james know that you shot this

3361
02:12:51,189 --> 02:12:50,069
no there was no sneaking or at all they

3362
02:12:54,149 --> 02:12:51,199
they invited us

3363
02:12:55,990 --> 02:12:54,159
with the cameras because they the the

3364
02:12:59,030 --> 02:12:56,000
way it all came even before we were

3365
02:13:01,270 --> 02:12:59,040
invited to go to the laboratory um

3366
02:13:03,189 --> 02:13:01,280
we had a dinner that jacques arranged

3367
02:13:06,470 --> 02:13:03,199
for us in san francisco

3368
02:13:09,910 --> 02:13:06,480
uh and and the dinner was jacques

3369
02:13:10,550 --> 02:13:09,920
james uh james's partner rebecca uh gary

3370
02:13:14,069 --> 02:13:10,560
nolan

3371
02:13:16,709 --> 02:13:14,079
and mark parish and myself and

3372
02:13:17,990 --> 02:13:16,719
the reason for the dinner is gary nolan

3373
02:13:19,990 --> 02:13:18,000
wanted to meet us

3374
02:13:22,149 --> 02:13:20,000
and get a good feel and a good sense of

3375
02:13:24,310 --> 02:13:22,159
who we were that we could be trusted

3376
02:13:26,149 --> 02:13:24,320
and this is this is the material that

3377
02:13:28,790 --> 02:13:26,159
jacques has been talking about

3378
02:13:29,189 --> 02:13:28,800
uh that he has collected uh over the

3379
02:13:31,510 --> 02:13:29,199
years

3380
02:13:33,189 --> 02:13:31,520
from around the world when he when he

3381
02:13:36,149 --> 02:13:33,199
carries this stuff around

3382
02:13:36,870 --> 02:13:36,159
this stuff goes into a special locked

3383
02:13:38,950 --> 02:13:36,880
box

3384
02:13:40,069 --> 02:13:38,960
that is probably safer than anything in

3385
02:13:41,990 --> 02:13:40,079
fort knox

3386
02:13:44,550 --> 02:13:42,000
and he doesn't let it out of his sight

3387
02:13:46,709 --> 02:13:44,560
and out of his arms now

3388
02:13:48,229 --> 02:13:46,719
what's interesting for me and for

3389
02:13:50,149 --> 02:13:48,239
everybody else because i know what

3390
02:13:54,470 --> 02:13:50,159
you're doing you're looking at it you're

3391
02:13:56,629 --> 02:13:54,480
reading the labels right that are there

3392
02:13:59,510 --> 02:13:56,639
and one of them in the center canister

3393
02:14:02,550 --> 02:13:59,520
is brazil

3394
02:14:04,870 --> 02:14:02,560
right yeah and i think there's another

3395
02:14:06,870 --> 02:14:04,880
one above it that also says brazil

3396
02:14:09,510 --> 02:14:06,880
uh and then the one on the top it says

3397
02:14:13,430 --> 02:14:09,520
gato these are all different places

3398
02:14:15,270 --> 02:14:13,440
um again from different areas

3399
02:14:18,709 --> 02:14:15,280
where i think the one on the bottom left

3400
02:14:21,589 --> 02:14:18,719
the purple one is bogota mm-hmm

3401
02:14:23,350 --> 02:14:21,599
and you can in fact in fact if you when

3402
02:14:26,149 --> 02:14:23,360
you look at the movie this phenomenon

3403
02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:26,159
we show a couple of the actual pieces um

3404
02:14:29,910 --> 02:14:27,040
in question

3405
02:14:31,270 --> 02:14:29,920
now below okay and i'm looking at the

3406
02:14:31,910 --> 02:14:31,280
clock here i don't want to run out of

3407
02:14:34,870 --> 02:14:31,920
time

3408
02:14:36,069 --> 02:14:34,880
yeah but when you sent me this i

3409
02:14:37,669 --> 02:14:36,079
immediately

3410
02:14:39,350 --> 02:14:37,679
now you know when you see brazil and you

3411
02:14:39,990 --> 02:14:39,360
see gateau and and you've heard about

3412
02:14:43,270 --> 02:14:40,000
these cases

3413
02:14:45,189 --> 02:14:43,280
but in the center canister yeah

3414
02:14:47,109 --> 02:14:45,199
um everybody's wants to look at what

3415
02:14:47,669 --> 02:14:47,119
these meta materials look like right

3416
02:14:50,950 --> 02:14:47,679
okay

3417
02:14:51,669 --> 02:14:50,960
of course the center one that it's cl

3418
02:14:55,030 --> 02:14:51,679
it's

3419
02:14:56,870 --> 02:14:55,040
frosted clear um

3420
02:14:58,229 --> 02:14:56,880
did you get a chance to look at this

3421
02:15:00,629 --> 02:14:58,239
closely not

3422
02:15:02,149 --> 02:15:00,639
not at all them because keep in mind

3423
02:15:04,870 --> 02:15:02,159
there's a the color

3424
02:15:06,149 --> 02:15:04,880
uh will tend to uh change what the

3425
02:15:07,990 --> 02:15:06,159
actual color is of the thing that's

3426
02:15:10,149 --> 02:15:08,000
inside it right so if it's a

3427
02:15:11,589 --> 02:15:10,159
green color that may change it a little

3428
02:15:13,430 --> 02:15:11,599
the one underneath

3429
02:15:14,709 --> 02:15:13,440
that one you're talking about looks more

3430
02:15:15,510 --> 02:15:14,719
interesting to me because it has more of

3431
02:15:18,310 --> 02:15:15,520
a flat

3432
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:18,320
edge to it yeah it's very interesting

3433
02:15:21,510 --> 02:15:18,960
and then

3434
02:15:22,870 --> 02:15:21,520
the bottom in the bottom right in the

3435
02:15:26,390 --> 02:15:22,880
clear

3436
02:15:27,030 --> 02:15:26,400
that is a crazy looking piece of

3437
02:15:29,750 --> 02:15:27,040
something

3438
02:15:30,310 --> 02:15:29,760
and did you get a chance to look at that

3439
02:15:32,950 --> 02:15:30,320
no not

3440
02:15:33,350 --> 02:15:32,960
probably not that one in particular uh

3441
02:15:36,950 --> 02:15:33,360
and

3442
02:15:39,109 --> 02:15:36,960
you it was it was

3443
02:15:40,069 --> 02:15:39,119
important enough for me to just be

3444
02:15:42,470 --> 02:15:40,079
sitting there

3445
02:15:43,350 --> 02:15:42,480
holding one of those canisters and i

3446
02:15:45,510 --> 02:15:43,360
knew that

3447
02:15:46,390 --> 02:15:45,520
i think james's sister kelly took that

3448
02:15:49,030 --> 02:15:46,400
picture of me

3449
02:15:50,629 --> 02:15:49,040
and all i could think of was how lucky

3450
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:50,639
can i be i know just

3451
02:15:54,069 --> 02:15:52,800
just to be here and look at what i'm

3452
02:15:57,270 --> 02:15:54,079
holding everybody

3453
02:15:59,350 --> 02:15:57,280
like i can't believe it and yet

3454
02:16:00,629 --> 02:15:59,360
that's why we were there was was to film

3455
02:16:03,669 --> 02:16:00,639
this and

3456
02:16:04,470 --> 02:16:03,679
and to to let jacques and gary make some

3457
02:16:07,430 --> 02:16:04,480
statements

3458
02:16:08,709 --> 02:16:07,440
basically gary was saying all the work

3459
02:16:10,229 --> 02:16:08,719
they've done so far

3460
02:16:12,149 --> 02:16:10,239
this is not something they want to keep

3461
02:16:14,629 --> 02:16:12,159
for themselves they want to get

3462
02:16:15,270 --> 02:16:14,639
as much analysis and information about

3463
02:16:18,709 --> 02:16:15,280
the

3464
02:16:21,990 --> 02:16:18,719
order to prove

3465
02:16:24,390 --> 02:16:22,000
to science that these are materials

3466
02:16:25,830 --> 02:16:24,400
that were manufactured these did not

3467
02:16:28,550 --> 02:16:25,840
come from some place

3468
02:16:29,350 --> 02:16:28,560
naturally they were manufactured by

3469
02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:29,360
someone

3470
02:16:33,429 --> 02:16:31,679
and for some purpose and in the film

3471
02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:33,439
jacques looks into the camera and says

3472
02:16:36,549 --> 02:16:35,200
and we want to know what that purpose is

3473
02:16:38,790 --> 02:16:36,559
yes and he has uh

3474
02:16:40,309 --> 02:16:38,800
you know you stated on the show uh with

3475
02:16:43,270 --> 02:16:40,319
me a couple of times

3476
02:16:44,150 --> 02:16:43,280
uh i've done a few interviews with

3477
02:16:47,429 --> 02:16:44,160
jacques

3478
02:16:50,150 --> 02:16:47,439
um and he said

3479
02:16:51,030 --> 02:16:50,160
okay just to set the record straight

3480
02:16:53,349 --> 02:16:51,040
there's so much

3481
02:16:55,509 --> 02:16:53,359
talk lee out there about metamaterials

3482
02:16:58,870 --> 02:16:55,519
that's right what the government has and

3483
02:17:01,429 --> 02:16:58,880
what they don't have and so forth

3484
02:17:03,669 --> 02:17:01,439
jacques has made it abundantly clear

3485
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:03,679
that his research is independent of

3486
02:17:09,509 --> 02:17:07,120
everything else that is going on

3487
02:17:10,790 --> 02:17:09,519
yes and i believe him because he he

3488
02:17:12,870 --> 02:17:10,800
maintains

3489
02:17:14,230 --> 02:17:12,880
and when you see him there at the

3490
02:17:16,150 --> 02:17:14,240
laboratory

3491
02:17:17,830 --> 02:17:16,160
it's hard not to believe him these are

3492
02:17:19,750 --> 02:17:17,840
people who are very seriously

3493
02:17:21,669 --> 02:17:19,760
looking at something to the point where

3494
02:17:23,990 --> 02:17:21,679
who knows how much money they spent

3495
02:17:24,790 --> 02:17:24,000
to create this i can't even pronounce

3496
02:17:27,750 --> 02:17:24,800
the name

3497
02:17:28,230 --> 02:17:27,760
of this instrument that they've got

3498
02:17:30,150 --> 02:17:28,240
there

3499
02:17:31,349 --> 02:17:30,160
that can look at something at the atomic

3500
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:31,359
level they're

3501
02:17:34,549 --> 02:17:33,280
they're serious and gary nolan said to

3502
02:17:37,589 --> 02:17:34,559
us

3503
02:17:38,950 --> 02:17:37,599
he says it on camera too that that once

3504
02:17:40,309 --> 02:17:38,960
they can get to the bottom of this and

3505
02:17:43,190 --> 02:17:40,319
come up with some answers

3506
02:17:44,870 --> 02:17:43,200
they will do peer peer-reviewed papers

3507
02:17:45,589 --> 02:17:44,880
they will present this to the scientific

3508
02:17:47,509 --> 02:17:45,599
community

3509
02:17:49,270 --> 02:17:47,519
they don't want any money back they want

3510
02:17:51,910 --> 02:17:49,280
to give it to science

3511
02:17:53,830 --> 02:17:51,920
and to everybody and along the way

3512
02:17:56,070 --> 02:17:53,840
they're not going to speculate

3513
02:17:57,509 --> 02:17:56,080
what they think or where they think the

3514
02:18:00,870 --> 02:17:57,519
materials come from

3515
02:18:02,709 --> 02:18:00,880
because we can't do that we don't know

3516
02:18:03,910 --> 02:18:02,719
whenever somebody asks me hey lee where

3517
02:18:07,110 --> 02:18:03,920
do you think they come

3518
02:18:09,990 --> 02:18:07,120
to say i don't know

3519
02:18:10,790 --> 02:18:10,000
it's not up to me to speculate i don't

3520
02:18:12,950 --> 02:18:10,800
have any

3521
02:18:14,870 --> 02:18:12,960
expertise in this i'm not a scientist i

3522
02:18:17,990 --> 02:18:14,880
don't even play one on the radio

3523
02:18:21,750 --> 02:18:18,000
but you know i don't know and i'd be

3524
02:18:24,469 --> 02:18:21,760
shocked if if many nations

3525
02:18:26,150 --> 02:18:24,479
nations on earth have the answers and

3526
02:18:27,669 --> 02:18:26,160
that we talked about that a lot in the

3527
02:18:29,830 --> 02:18:27,679
production of the film

3528
02:18:31,429 --> 02:18:29,840
we were trying to get across that the

3529
02:18:33,349 --> 02:18:31,439
nations of the world

3530
02:18:35,190 --> 02:18:33,359
at the very least they know that

3531
02:18:36,230 --> 02:18:35,200
something is operating in their skies

3532
02:18:38,950 --> 02:18:36,240
with impunity

3533
02:18:39,669 --> 02:18:38,960
it can come and go as it wishes and it

3534
02:18:42,790 --> 02:18:39,679
does

3535
02:18:44,950 --> 02:18:42,800
it can it can hide it can it can uncloak

3536
02:18:46,230 --> 02:18:44,960
it can do whatever it wants to do at its

3537
02:18:49,349 --> 02:18:46,240
own whim

3538
02:18:49,830 --> 02:18:49,359
we don't know what its agenda is we

3539
02:18:52,950 --> 02:18:49,840
don't

3540
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:52,960
know anything more than that we just

3541
02:18:57,190 --> 02:18:54,240
don't

3542
02:18:58,709 --> 02:18:57,200
why i believe that when when this

3543
02:19:02,309 --> 02:18:58,719
chatter started

3544
02:19:04,469 --> 02:19:02,319
uh from uh a couple of uh

3545
02:19:06,230 --> 02:19:04,479
sensational headlines a couple of weeks

3546
02:19:07,270 --> 02:19:06,240
ago that the government is in possession

3547
02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:07,280
of ufo

3548
02:19:13,910 --> 02:19:10,559
materials yeah um when you when you

3549
02:19:16,629 --> 02:19:13,920
started to see these headlines what

3550
02:19:18,389 --> 02:19:16,639
what went through your head is this is

3551
02:19:22,070 --> 02:19:18,399
this a leak from the government

3552
02:19:23,589 --> 02:19:22,080
is it just bs no it's not a leak from

3553
02:19:24,469 --> 02:19:23,599
the government i don't think that the

3554
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:24,479
government

3555
02:19:29,990 --> 02:19:27,599
wants the public to know that

3556
02:19:31,110 --> 02:19:30,000
it may be in possession of something

3557
02:19:33,429 --> 02:19:31,120
that comes from

3558
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:33,439
somewhere else and by that i mean

3559
02:19:37,589 --> 02:19:35,120
another planet

3560
02:19:39,030 --> 02:19:37,599
another dimension another reality they

3561
02:19:42,950 --> 02:19:39,040
don't want us to know this

3562
02:19:45,669 --> 02:19:42,960
we're not ready to be told this yet

3563
02:19:46,629 --> 02:19:45,679
uh so for somebody in the government to

3564
02:19:48,950 --> 02:19:46,639
be leaking this

3565
02:19:50,630 --> 02:19:48,960
just doesn't make any sense to me who

3566
02:19:53,750 --> 02:19:50,640
would want to leak it

3567
02:19:56,790 --> 02:19:53,760
it doesn't make sense at the very least

3568
02:19:58,070 --> 02:19:56,800
all that they've done is to say these

3569
02:20:00,790 --> 02:19:58,080
three videos

3570
02:20:02,389 --> 02:20:00,800
that we first started talking about in

3571
02:20:05,670 --> 02:20:02,399
that december

3572
02:20:08,309 --> 02:20:05,680
17 2017 new york times story

3573
02:20:09,190 --> 02:20:08,319
where where all of a sudden you know in

3574
02:20:12,870 --> 02:20:09,200
our culture

3575
02:20:17,110 --> 02:20:12,880
we had a new a new word uap followed by

3576
02:20:20,309 --> 02:20:17,120
the tic tac ufo

3577
02:20:21,750 --> 02:20:20,319
so you know now people were talking oh

3578
02:20:23,429 --> 02:20:21,760
did you see the video with the tic tac

3579
02:20:25,590 --> 02:20:23,439
ufo oh did you see it

3580
02:20:27,190 --> 02:20:25,600
you know it gets people excited because

3581
02:20:30,389 --> 02:20:27,200
it's something that's unknown

3582
02:20:32,469 --> 02:20:30,399
or unexplained um

3583
02:20:34,150 --> 02:20:32,479
the people who chased these things who

3584
02:20:36,790 --> 02:20:34,160
have been chasing them

3585
02:20:38,230 --> 02:20:36,800
uh i was more intrigued by the story

3586
02:20:40,630 --> 02:20:38,240
from a couple weeks ago

3587
02:20:41,830 --> 02:20:40,640
the the american airlines flight over

3588
02:20:43,910 --> 02:20:41,840
new mexico

3589
02:20:45,349 --> 02:20:43,920
the pilot saw this thing a long

3590
02:20:47,510 --> 02:20:45,359
cylindrical object just came

3591
02:20:49,590 --> 02:20:47,520
right at them right over their plane

3592
02:20:52,630 --> 02:20:49,600
they immediately reported it

3593
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:52,640
and and the control tower uh they had

3594
02:20:57,510 --> 02:20:54,160
the recording of it and and

3595
02:21:00,630 --> 02:20:57,520
the airline didn't try

3596
02:21:02,790 --> 02:21:00,640
to to downplay it or deny it

3597
02:21:03,750 --> 02:21:02,800
they actually said this radio

3598
02:21:06,550 --> 02:21:03,760
transmission

3599
02:21:07,270 --> 02:21:06,560
did come to us from the pilot so

3600
02:21:09,510 --> 02:21:07,280
obviously

3601
02:21:11,270 --> 02:21:09,520
this thing happened they saw something

3602
02:21:13,429 --> 02:21:11,280
but nobody was saying

3603
02:21:14,469 --> 02:21:13,439
oh it must have been a lenticular cloud

3604
02:21:16,790 --> 02:21:14,479
had to be venus

3605
02:21:17,990 --> 02:21:16,800
wasn't venus bright that night that day

3606
02:21:20,469 --> 02:21:18,000
nobody's actually

3607
02:21:22,389 --> 02:21:20,479
saying that now they're actually saying

3608
02:21:24,710 --> 02:21:22,399
well the pilot saw something

3609
02:21:25,670 --> 02:21:24,720
so we don't think that there's any

3610
02:21:28,150 --> 02:21:25,680
danger and

3611
02:21:28,950 --> 02:21:28,160
this is the the non-stated thing that i

3612
02:21:31,349 --> 02:21:28,960
say

3613
02:21:32,070 --> 02:21:31,359
all airline companies are doing nobody

3614
02:21:34,389 --> 02:21:32,080
in the airline

3615
02:21:35,110 --> 02:21:34,399
business wants to come out and say to

3616
02:21:36,790 --> 02:21:35,120
the public

3617
02:21:38,710 --> 02:21:36,800
look we know that some of you have

3618
02:21:40,550 --> 02:21:38,720
probably seen strange things

3619
02:21:42,790 --> 02:21:40,560
outside the windows we know they've been

3620
02:21:44,630 --> 02:21:42,800
reports by many of our pilots

3621
02:21:46,469 --> 02:21:44,640
we we don't understand what it is

3622
02:21:48,550 --> 02:21:46,479
they're seeing but so far there doesn't

3623
02:21:50,870 --> 02:21:48,560
seem to be any aggressive behavior

3624
02:21:51,990 --> 02:21:50,880
so please please continue to fly the

3625
02:21:54,710 --> 02:21:52,000
friendly skies

3626
02:21:55,750 --> 02:21:54,720
and we'll we'll keep you posted on what

3627
02:21:59,349 --> 02:21:55,760
may be coming up

3628
02:22:02,230 --> 02:21:59,359
well they can't even hardly say that

3629
02:22:03,190 --> 02:22:02,240
you know with um uh speaking of the

3630
02:22:06,230 --> 02:22:03,200
media

3631
02:22:09,670 --> 02:22:06,240
once you left the huffington post

3632
02:22:10,950 --> 02:22:09,680
which was a crucial part of our ufo

3633
02:22:14,550 --> 02:22:10,960
community was you

3634
02:22:18,710 --> 02:22:14,560
and covering all of these stories uh

3635
02:22:21,590 --> 02:22:18,720
now uh billy cox uh has just been let go

3636
02:22:22,070 --> 02:22:21,600
i didn't know that yeah so an excellent

3637
02:22:25,990 --> 02:22:22,080
writer

3638
02:22:28,150 --> 02:22:26,000
happened

3639
02:22:29,510 --> 02:22:28,160
i think he made the formal announcement

3640
02:22:32,150 --> 02:22:29,520
uh within the last

3641
02:22:33,590 --> 02:22:32,160
week a few days ago oh okay but what do

3642
02:22:37,510 --> 02:22:33,600
we do now

3643
02:22:39,590 --> 02:22:37,520
i mean i know we've got tucker carlson

3644
02:22:42,550 --> 02:22:39,600
but i think his foot is off the gas

3645
02:22:43,590 --> 02:22:42,560
but we don't have anybody writing uh out

3646
02:22:46,790 --> 02:22:43,600
there anymore

3647
02:22:48,950 --> 02:22:46,800
and covering these stories well i mean

3648
02:22:50,309 --> 02:22:48,960
some stories will still continue to come

3649
02:22:51,830 --> 02:22:50,319
out by credible writers

3650
02:22:53,910 --> 02:22:51,840
at the beginning of the show tonight you

3651
02:22:54,950 --> 02:22:53,920
mentioned something that's coming up by

3652
02:22:56,870 --> 02:22:54,960
the um

3653
02:22:58,389 --> 02:22:56,880
the intelligence the office of naval

3654
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:58,399
intelligence and the

3655
02:23:02,150 --> 02:23:00,319
the senate committee that uh senator

3656
02:23:04,710 --> 02:23:02,160
marco rubio is in charge of right

3657
02:23:06,710 --> 02:23:04,720
and and how they're supposed to they

3658
02:23:09,830 --> 02:23:06,720
were given 180 days

3659
02:23:12,150 --> 02:23:09,840
to to actually during the next 180 days

3660
02:23:13,670 --> 02:23:12,160
the u.s intelligence community is

3661
02:23:16,070 --> 02:23:13,680
supposed to determine

3662
02:23:18,309 --> 02:23:16,080
if it hasn't already done so that some

3663
02:23:21,270 --> 02:23:18,319
ufos may in fact originate

3664
02:23:22,870 --> 02:23:21,280
from off-earth but will it share that

3665
02:23:25,670 --> 02:23:22,880
information with the public

3666
02:23:26,070 --> 02:23:25,680
that's highly doubtful and it doesn't

3667
02:23:28,550 --> 02:23:26,080
take

3668
02:23:29,270 --> 02:23:28,560
other countries under consideration what

3669
02:23:31,830 --> 02:23:29,280
what our

3670
02:23:32,469 --> 02:23:31,840
senate and congressman in congress does

3671
02:23:34,150 --> 02:23:32,479
has nothing

3672
02:23:36,790 --> 02:23:34,160
nothing to do with other countries i

3673
02:23:40,230 --> 02:23:36,800
keep reminding people this is a global

3674
02:23:40,550 --> 02:23:40,240
issue it's a global situation so i i've

3675
02:23:41,990 --> 02:23:40,560
been

3676
02:23:43,590 --> 02:23:42,000
trying to say to people i'll keep you

3677
02:23:46,550 --> 02:23:43,600
posted on how it's going

3678
02:23:47,190 --> 02:23:46,560
between now and june when this whole 180

3679
02:23:49,270 --> 02:23:47,200
days thing

3680
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:49,280
will come and go but no the the

3681
02:23:53,670 --> 02:23:50,399
government has

3682
02:23:55,190 --> 02:23:53,680
nothing to gain by telling by by being

3683
02:23:59,030 --> 02:23:55,200
more transparent

3684
02:24:02,070 --> 02:23:59,040
about ufos nothing whatsoever to gain

3685
02:24:03,590 --> 02:24:02,080
and i i don't like that but but i i'm

3686
02:24:07,030 --> 02:24:03,600
not going to fight city hall

3687
02:24:10,230 --> 02:24:07,040
it's it's way beyond me it's way beyond

3688
02:24:10,870 --> 02:24:10,240
some precedence as we indicated in our

3689
02:24:13,349 --> 02:24:10,880
film with

3690
02:24:14,469 --> 02:24:13,359
a statement by president bill clinton

3691
02:24:17,590 --> 02:24:14,479
well you

3692
02:24:19,590 --> 02:24:17,600
uh you as a journalist and yes and

3693
02:24:20,950 --> 02:24:19,600
i'm gonna say this your excellent

3694
02:24:24,150 --> 02:24:20,960
writing on uh

3695
02:24:26,150 --> 02:24:24,160
with the huffington post um needs to be

3696
02:24:29,830 --> 02:24:26,160
mentioned and of course billy cox

3697
02:24:33,670 --> 02:24:29,840
and then i have been uh very critical

3698
02:24:36,150 --> 02:24:33,680
about uh leslie keynes and ralph

3699
02:24:36,790 --> 02:24:36,160
blumenthal's latest article not not

3700
02:24:40,870 --> 02:24:36,800
leslie

3701
02:24:43,910 --> 02:24:40,880
not ralph right but the fact that

3702
02:24:46,150 --> 02:24:43,920
at the bottom of the article there's a

3703
02:24:47,590 --> 02:24:46,160
quote there from eric davis dr eric

3704
02:24:50,710 --> 02:24:47,600
davis where he says

3705
02:24:52,790 --> 02:24:50,720
that he briefed the senate uh about uh

3706
02:24:54,550 --> 02:24:52,800
our government being in possession of

3707
02:24:57,510 --> 02:24:54,560
crash flying saucers

3708
02:24:58,469 --> 02:24:57,520
now my point being and what i'm critical

3709
02:25:02,230 --> 02:24:58,479
about

3710
02:25:04,469 --> 02:25:02,240
is where are the journalists out there

3711
02:25:07,030 --> 02:25:04,479
that need to pick up on that one

3712
02:25:07,750 --> 02:25:07,040
paragraph that one quote from dr eric

3713
02:25:10,309 --> 02:25:07,760
davis

3714
02:25:12,550 --> 02:25:10,319
which is probably the craziest quote in

3715
02:25:15,349 --> 02:25:12,560
all of human history

3716
02:25:17,349 --> 02:25:15,359
no journalist has touched that lee

3717
02:25:18,630 --> 02:25:17,359
nobody has followed up nobody has gone

3718
02:25:21,750 --> 02:25:18,640
to eric dave is going

3719
02:25:22,550 --> 02:25:21,760
wait a minute okay obviously the new

3720
02:25:24,870 --> 02:25:22,560
york times

3721
02:25:27,429 --> 02:25:24,880
vetted the quote otherwise it wouldn't

3722
02:25:29,990 --> 02:25:27,439
have made it to print i would assume

3723
02:25:31,990 --> 02:25:30,000
right that they cleared the quote as

3724
02:25:33,990 --> 02:25:32,000
being authentic and sourced

3725
02:25:35,110 --> 02:25:34,000
but no journalist has followed up on

3726
02:25:38,550 --> 02:25:35,120
that lee you see

3727
02:25:40,870 --> 02:25:38,560
he dr davis um

3728
02:25:42,389 --> 02:25:40,880
he's a well-known physicist and he has

3729
02:25:45,190 --> 02:25:42,399
his opinions

3730
02:25:46,630 --> 02:25:45,200
and more than once especially when i was

3731
02:25:49,590 --> 02:25:46,640
at huffington post

3732
02:25:51,429 --> 02:25:49,600
i i tried to interview him on a variety

3733
02:25:54,309 --> 02:25:51,439
of issues related to ufos

3734
02:25:55,830 --> 02:25:54,319
and he he kept turning me down and and

3735
02:25:57,429 --> 02:25:55,840
my thought was

3736
02:25:59,110 --> 02:25:57,439
who the hell does he think he is why is

3737
02:26:01,110 --> 02:25:59,120
he turning me down when he's making

3738
02:26:04,150 --> 02:26:01,120
these other statements to other people

3739
02:26:06,230 --> 02:26:04,160
and he's not producing any documentation

3740
02:26:09,510 --> 02:26:06,240
to back up what he says

3741
02:26:10,389 --> 02:26:09,520
so it comes it comes down to his word as

3742
02:26:14,150 --> 02:26:10,399
a scientist

3743
02:26:16,309 --> 02:26:14,160
against other scientists words

3744
02:26:17,910 --> 02:26:16,319
see i i would much rather rely on

3745
02:26:19,990 --> 02:26:17,920
someone like

3746
02:26:21,429 --> 02:26:20,000
john greenwald for example of the black

3747
02:26:23,990 --> 02:26:21,439
vault

3748
02:26:25,429 --> 02:26:24,000
john is going to be on my show this week

3749
02:26:28,630 --> 02:26:25,439
and we're going to be talking about

3750
02:26:30,710 --> 02:26:28,640
the these meta materials from ufos

3751
02:26:32,710 --> 02:26:30,720
and and i'm going to get he's part of

3752
02:26:34,469 --> 02:26:32,720
he's in the middle of a debate now

3753
02:26:36,070 --> 02:26:34,479
where some people are saying there are

3754
02:26:38,790 --> 02:26:36,080
many materials that there aren't

3755
02:26:40,070 --> 02:26:38,800
it's it's it's bull it's not but

3756
02:26:43,030 --> 02:26:40,080
nobody's come up with

3757
02:26:43,830 --> 02:26:43,040
anything substantial like like a real

3758
02:26:47,270 --> 02:26:43,840
document

3759
02:26:49,110 --> 02:26:47,280
i i would like to ask somebody

3760
02:26:50,389 --> 02:26:49,120
in the senate or in the congress what

3761
02:26:52,790 --> 02:26:50,399
would it take you

3762
02:26:53,429 --> 02:26:52,800
to make you believe that we are being

3763
02:26:56,230 --> 02:26:53,439
visited

3764
02:26:57,429 --> 02:26:56,240
by someone from somewhere i don't care

3765
02:26:58,950 --> 02:26:57,439
where you think this they might be

3766
02:27:00,870 --> 02:26:58,960
coming from because i don't care

3767
02:27:02,070 --> 02:27:00,880
i really don't i'm comfortable enough

3768
02:27:03,910 --> 02:27:02,080
with the belief

3769
02:27:05,670 --> 02:27:03,920
that we there there is some kind of

3770
02:27:07,910 --> 02:27:05,680
visitation going on

3771
02:27:09,190 --> 02:27:07,920
on this planet and it's been going on

3772
02:27:11,990 --> 02:27:09,200
for a long time

3773
02:27:13,270 --> 02:27:12,000
and we know that the air force believes

3774
02:27:15,750 --> 02:27:13,280
this is possible

3775
02:27:18,790 --> 02:27:15,760
because they told their cadets as far

3776
02:27:21,030 --> 02:27:18,800
back as 1968 a year before they ended

3777
02:27:23,190 --> 02:27:21,040
project blue book in their introductory

3778
02:27:26,389 --> 02:27:23,200
space science physics book

3779
02:27:30,150 --> 02:27:26,399
eyes only cadets were being told

3780
02:27:32,309 --> 02:27:30,160
by the air force that possible evidence

3781
02:27:34,309 --> 02:27:32,319
indicates that there may be three or

3782
02:27:37,110 --> 02:27:34,319
four different

3783
02:27:37,590 --> 02:27:37,120
groups of extraterrestrials visiting

3784
02:27:39,910 --> 02:27:37,600
earth

3785
02:27:41,910 --> 02:27:39,920
at their own stages of development that

3786
02:27:43,030 --> 02:27:41,920
there is some evidence to this

3787
02:27:46,469 --> 02:27:43,040
this is what they were telling the

3788
02:27:49,750 --> 02:27:46,479
cadets a year before bloomberg ended

3789
02:27:51,590 --> 02:27:49,760
and how do i know this because in 1978

3790
02:27:52,870 --> 02:27:51,600
when i asked alan heineck to give me

3791
02:27:54,550 --> 02:27:52,880
what maybe

3792
02:27:56,070 --> 02:27:54,560
would be a smoking gun document that

3793
02:27:58,630 --> 02:27:56,080
maybe he got his hands on

3794
02:28:00,230 --> 02:27:58,640
when he was still with blue book he he

3795
02:28:01,030 --> 02:28:00,240
pulled out of his filing cabinet and

3796
02:28:04,070 --> 02:28:01,040
gave me

3797
02:28:04,630 --> 02:28:04,080
this lengthy chapter in this science

3798
02:28:07,590 --> 02:28:04,640
book

3799
02:28:09,429 --> 02:28:07,600
in the air force academy he said i don't

3800
02:28:11,830 --> 02:28:09,439
know if you might consider this

3801
02:28:13,190 --> 02:28:11,840
as a smoking gun but if you like it i'll

3802
02:28:14,150 --> 02:28:13,200
give you permission we can make some

3803
02:28:15,830 --> 02:28:14,160
copies of it

3804
02:28:17,990 --> 02:28:15,840
and we can give it out to the media and

3805
02:28:19,510 --> 02:28:18,000
all the countries in november

3806
02:28:21,030 --> 02:28:19,520
and i was reading this and i wish i

3807
02:28:23,270 --> 02:28:21,040
could swear on your show now

3808
02:28:26,389 --> 02:28:23,280
at what i said to alan about what i was

3809
02:28:28,630 --> 02:28:26,399
looking at

3810
02:28:30,230 --> 02:28:28,640
i mean i said where the heck did you

3811
02:28:32,630 --> 02:28:30,240
find this

3812
02:28:33,990 --> 02:28:32,640
he said that's not important to know but

3813
02:28:36,309 --> 02:28:34,000
this is a real document

3814
02:28:37,990 --> 02:28:36,319
it's a real chapter and in fact it was

3815
02:28:40,550 --> 02:28:38,000
real in 1968

3816
02:28:42,230 --> 02:28:40,560
and you can even now look for the stuff

3817
02:28:45,349 --> 02:28:42,240
on the internet finally

3818
02:28:48,230 --> 02:28:45,359
uh and after blue book ended then

3819
02:28:49,910 --> 02:28:48,240
the air force revised this chapter and

3820
02:28:52,070 --> 02:28:49,920
they they took some things out of it

3821
02:28:53,270 --> 02:28:52,080
so it doesn't read exactly as it did in

3822
02:28:54,630 --> 02:28:53,280
1968

3823
02:28:56,230 --> 02:28:54,640
and i didn't just make a couple of

3824
02:28:56,870 --> 02:28:56,240
copies of this i made about a gazillion

3825
02:28:59,270 --> 02:28:56,880
copies

3826
02:29:00,550 --> 02:28:59,280
we gave it out to everyone and it pissed

3827
02:29:03,510 --> 02:29:00,560
me off

3828
02:29:05,030 --> 02:29:03,520
at the united nations that day that when

3829
02:29:05,590 --> 02:29:05,040
we had the press conference and there

3830
02:29:08,870 --> 02:29:05,600
were

3831
02:29:10,550 --> 02:29:08,880
media people there nobody

3832
02:29:12,550 --> 02:29:10,560
brought that up because it was in their

3833
02:29:15,110 --> 02:29:12,560
press packet that we had put together

3834
02:29:16,389 --> 02:29:15,120
and no one started writing any stories

3835
02:29:18,790 --> 02:29:16,399
about this

3836
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:18,800
i mean like what do i have to do to get

3837
02:29:21,990 --> 02:29:20,160
people to have to knock

3838
02:29:23,190 --> 02:29:22,000
somebody over the head about this i'm

3839
02:29:26,150 --> 02:29:23,200
giving them something

3840
02:29:28,070 --> 02:29:26,160
that is a possible smoking gun why would

3841
02:29:30,309 --> 02:29:28,080
the air force tell the cadets this stuff

3842
02:29:31,429 --> 02:29:30,319
if they didn't already believe it to be

3843
02:29:33,190 --> 02:29:31,439
so

3844
02:29:35,349 --> 02:29:33,200
what's wrong with this picture i'm

3845
02:29:37,030 --> 02:29:35,359
having too good of a time

3846
02:29:38,469 --> 02:29:37,040
in this conversation can i get you to

3847
02:29:40,389 --> 02:29:38,479
hang on for another

3848
02:29:42,070 --> 02:29:40,399
20 minutes another segment do some

3849
02:29:44,469 --> 02:29:42,080
overtime with me

3850
02:29:47,110 --> 02:29:44,479
i i i like you you've got a good smile

3851
02:29:49,429 --> 02:29:47,120
you know you know it's been four years

3852
02:29:51,030 --> 02:29:49,439
it's been four years lee spiegel let's

3853
02:29:51,590 --> 02:29:51,040
take our break right here and we'll come

3854
02:29:54,150 --> 02:29:51,600
straight

3855
02:29:55,830 --> 02:29:54,160
back to some overtime this is fade to

3856
02:29:57,030 --> 02:29:55,840
black i am your host jimmy church what a

3857
02:29:59,429 --> 02:29:57,040
great conversation

3858
02:30:01,110 --> 02:29:59,439
and yeah it was worth waiting for i am

3859
02:30:03,030 --> 02:30:01,120
your host jimmy church

3860
02:30:05,429 --> 02:30:03,040
this is faded black and the game changer

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02:30:06,870 --> 02:30:05,439
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3862
02:30:08,950 --> 02:30:06,880
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3863
02:30:10,469 --> 02:30:08,960
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3864
02:30:18,220 --> 02:30:10,479
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3865
02:30:35,830 --> 02:30:18,230
break stay with us

3866
02:30:38,150 --> 02:30:35,840
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3867
02:30:40,150 --> 02:30:38,160
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02:30:54,540 --> 02:30:48,630
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3949
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jimmy church over time with

3950
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3951
02:34:19,830 --> 02:34:18,399
there was no way

3952
02:34:21,830 --> 02:34:19,840
there's no way i was gonna go to phone

3953
02:34:24,309 --> 02:34:21,840
calls can't do that

3954
02:34:25,429 --> 02:34:24,319
lee spiegel is here going into overtime

3955
02:34:28,469 --> 02:34:25,439
and uh

3956
02:34:30,710 --> 02:34:28,479
lee thank you uh uh for doing this and

3957
02:34:32,230 --> 02:34:30,720
extending the show a little bit uh we

3958
02:34:34,309 --> 02:34:32,240
all appreciate that

3959
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um having a really good time in this

3960
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conversation

3961
02:34:41,429 --> 02:34:38,880
when we get to overtime uh with a guest

3962
02:34:42,870 --> 02:34:41,439
i'd like to get a little bit looser and

3963
02:34:45,670 --> 02:34:42,880
and have a little bit of fun

3964
02:34:46,389 --> 02:34:45,680
you have um over the years and i want

3965
02:34:48,070 --> 02:34:46,399
you to laugh

3966
02:34:51,110 --> 02:34:48,080
out loud i want you to give me the least

3967
02:34:54,150 --> 02:34:51,120
spiegel laugh you have never held back

3968
02:34:55,910 --> 02:34:54,160
you have never held back you have been

3969
02:34:58,070 --> 02:34:55,920
honest in your opinions

3970
02:35:00,309 --> 02:34:58,080
sometimes it's been strong you have been

3971
02:35:03,590 --> 02:35:00,319
the champion of ruffling feathers

3972
02:35:08,630 --> 02:35:03,600
including my own right okay um

3973
02:35:11,670 --> 02:35:08,640
but so many want to call this

3974
02:35:12,150 --> 02:35:11,680
the years of disclosure that we are here

3975
02:35:15,190 --> 02:35:12,160
now

3976
02:35:17,670 --> 02:35:15,200
you've been at this for a very long time

3977
02:35:18,710 --> 02:35:17,680
trying to get the answers to all of

3978
02:35:22,230 --> 02:35:18,720
these questions

3979
02:35:25,910 --> 02:35:22,240
uh when it comes to ufos and et's

3980
02:35:30,710 --> 02:35:25,920
um are we in the days of disclosure

3981
02:35:34,630 --> 02:35:31,910
you know i started thinking about

3982
02:35:36,630 --> 02:35:34,640
disclosure in 1975 when i was working on

3983
02:35:38,389 --> 02:35:36,640
my ufo album i thought wow

3984
02:35:39,910 --> 02:35:38,399
i'm getting close to this look at what

3985
02:35:40,790 --> 02:35:39,920
these people are telling me this is

3986
02:35:44,230 --> 02:35:40,800
great

3987
02:35:44,630 --> 02:35:44,240
and and as i began to you know live my

3988
02:35:47,990 --> 02:35:44,640
life

3989
02:35:50,550 --> 02:35:48,000
from that point on i started thinking no

3990
02:35:51,990 --> 02:35:50,560
this has been going on for way too long

3991
02:35:55,270 --> 02:35:52,000
historically

3992
02:35:57,110 --> 02:35:55,280
and i like to keep it simple i

3993
02:35:58,950 --> 02:35:57,120
i like to tell people there already has

3994
02:36:00,630 --> 02:35:58,960
been disclosure there's a little bit of

3995
02:36:02,870 --> 02:36:00,640
disclosure every day

3996
02:36:04,630 --> 02:36:02,880
people don't like to hear that though

3997
02:36:06,230 --> 02:36:04,640
well i'm i'm sorry

3998
02:36:07,910 --> 02:36:06,240
if people don't want to hear it then

3999
02:36:08,550 --> 02:36:07,920
they need to go find something else to

4000
02:36:12,150 --> 02:36:08,560
believe in

4001
02:36:12,870 --> 02:36:12,160
or not you know because i don't i don't

4002
02:36:16,870 --> 02:36:12,880
think

4003
02:36:19,190 --> 02:36:16,880
look the bottom line is

4004
02:36:20,950 --> 02:36:19,200
nobody on earth this is my opinion now

4005
02:36:24,070 --> 02:36:20,960
okay

4006
02:36:27,990 --> 02:36:24,080
nobody on earth can tell

4007
02:36:31,750 --> 02:36:28,000
or say or dictate what the intelligence

4008
02:36:34,469 --> 02:36:31,760
behind the ufos is going to do next

4009
02:36:35,990 --> 02:36:34,479
nobody because they've been doing what

4010
02:36:39,910 --> 02:36:36,000
they're doing

4011
02:36:42,230 --> 02:36:39,920
for a really long time on this planet

4012
02:36:43,190 --> 02:36:42,240
and so it's like if they don't want to

4013
02:36:45,030 --> 02:36:43,200
be seen they

4014
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:45,040
turn their lights off if they want to be

4015
02:36:48,150 --> 02:36:47,040
seen over metropolitan area they turn

4016
02:36:50,950 --> 02:36:48,160
their lights back on

4017
02:36:52,309 --> 02:36:50,960
they don't have to do that uh do they

4018
02:36:53,830 --> 02:36:52,319
need those lights for

4019
02:36:55,670 --> 02:36:53,840
for driving around like we need lights

4020
02:36:57,510 --> 02:36:55,680
on our cars or on our planes or in our

4021
02:36:59,590 --> 02:36:57,520
trains no

4022
02:37:01,190 --> 02:36:59,600
they they know how to avoid each other

4023
02:37:01,830 --> 02:37:01,200
but i think that they turn their lights

4024
02:37:05,270 --> 02:37:01,840
on

4025
02:37:07,270 --> 02:37:05,280
because they want to be seen

4026
02:37:08,550 --> 02:37:07,280
and people don't want to hear that what

4027
02:37:12,230 --> 02:37:08,560
do you mean they want to be seen

4028
02:37:13,510 --> 02:37:12,240
no no that's not right you know no

4029
02:37:16,230 --> 02:37:13,520
and then there's then there's that

4030
02:37:18,389 --> 02:37:16,240
argument that stan friedman

4031
02:37:19,590 --> 02:37:18,399
always used to say at every one of his

4032
02:37:22,710 --> 02:37:19,600
lectures

4033
02:37:24,870 --> 02:37:22,720
he would say when when somebody says

4034
02:37:26,070 --> 02:37:24,880
that that bit of ufo behavior is

4035
02:37:28,150 --> 02:37:26,080
impossible

4036
02:37:29,270 --> 02:37:28,160
what they're saying is i don't know how

4037
02:37:30,790 --> 02:37:29,280
to do that

4038
02:37:34,230 --> 02:37:30,800
and and since i don't know how to do

4039
02:37:36,790 --> 02:37:34,240
that well then it must be impossible

4040
02:37:37,750 --> 02:37:36,800
and you know that's the basic problem

4041
02:37:40,230 --> 02:37:37,760
and then there's another

4042
02:37:40,950 --> 02:37:40,240
mantra he used to quote what he believed

4043
02:37:45,270 --> 02:37:40,960
was the

4044
02:37:47,670 --> 02:37:45,280
the debunkers mantra and that mantra is

4045
02:37:49,830 --> 02:37:47,680
don't bother me with the facts my mind

4046
02:37:52,870 --> 02:37:49,840
is already made up

4047
02:37:54,150 --> 02:37:52,880
you know that's right very simple

4048
02:37:56,870 --> 02:37:54,160
the thing more that you need to hear

4049
02:37:59,349 --> 02:37:56,880
about that people want to believe

4050
02:38:00,790 --> 02:37:59,359
what they want to believe if they think

4051
02:38:02,469 --> 02:38:00,800
it helps their lives

4052
02:38:04,870 --> 02:38:02,479
and i don't have a problem with that i'm

4053
02:38:06,070 --> 02:38:04,880
okay with that we all need to believe in

4054
02:38:08,230 --> 02:38:06,080
something

4055
02:38:09,750 --> 02:38:08,240
and i i just wish that people would

4056
02:38:11,349 --> 02:38:09,760
would try to be a little bit more

4057
02:38:12,870 --> 02:38:11,359
practical

4058
02:38:14,150 --> 02:38:12,880
than just trying to believe everything

4059
02:38:15,190 --> 02:38:14,160
don't believe everything that's in the

4060
02:38:16,790 --> 02:38:15,200
bible no matter

4061
02:38:19,429 --> 02:38:16,800
what testament or book that you're

4062
02:38:21,750 --> 02:38:19,439
looking at i mean the people who

4063
02:38:22,790 --> 02:38:21,760
wrote all those things that took place

4064
02:38:25,030 --> 02:38:22,800
in the bible

4065
02:38:26,150 --> 02:38:25,040
they they weren't just making stuff up i

4066
02:38:28,630 --> 02:38:26,160
don't think

4067
02:38:30,070 --> 02:38:28,640
there were reports there that mirror

4068
02:38:33,590 --> 02:38:30,080
exactly what people are still

4069
02:38:34,309 --> 02:38:33,600
reporting then that was the whole idea

4070
02:38:36,550 --> 02:38:34,319
behind

4071
02:38:38,230 --> 02:38:36,560
jacques valley's most recent book

4072
02:38:39,990 --> 02:38:38,240
wonders in the sky

4073
02:38:41,830 --> 02:38:40,000
you know he the book started with the

4074
02:38:43,910 --> 02:38:41,840
premise that we're going to start where

4075
02:38:46,070 --> 02:38:43,920
the industrial revolution began

4076
02:38:47,190 --> 02:38:46,080
on this planet but instead of moving

4077
02:38:49,349 --> 02:38:47,200
forward to see

4078
02:38:50,389 --> 02:38:49,359
how great things have changed let's move

4079
02:38:53,670 --> 02:38:50,399
backwards

4080
02:38:54,870 --> 02:38:53,680
and see how far back in time can we find

4081
02:38:57,349 --> 02:38:54,880
accounts

4082
02:38:59,429 --> 02:38:57,359
where people were reporting things and

4083
02:39:01,910 --> 02:38:59,439
he likes to pinpoint the fact that

4084
02:39:03,110 --> 02:39:01,920
going back to the 13th and 14th 15th

4085
02:39:06,230 --> 02:39:03,120
centuries

4086
02:39:07,349 --> 02:39:06,240
they had scientists back then and and

4087
02:39:09,190 --> 02:39:07,359
these were people

4088
02:39:11,750 --> 02:39:09,200
who were reporting things and trying to

4089
02:39:14,710 --> 02:39:11,760
explain odd things in the sky

4090
02:39:16,870 --> 02:39:14,720
and they weren't just calling them weird

4091
02:39:18,309 --> 02:39:16,880
things like the weird shields

4092
02:39:20,790 --> 02:39:18,319
some of them were that the prophets were

4093
02:39:22,790 --> 02:39:20,800
saying oh the the shields came down well

4094
02:39:24,150 --> 02:39:22,800
gee when you think of a shield what's

4095
02:39:28,070 --> 02:39:24,160
the general shape

4096
02:39:32,070 --> 02:39:28,080
well maybe circular maybe oval

4097
02:39:32,710 --> 02:39:32,080
people ezekiel the the spaceships of

4098
02:39:38,870 --> 02:39:32,720
ezekiel

4099
02:39:39,990 --> 02:39:38,880
looking up and wheels within wheels came

4100
02:39:42,710 --> 02:39:40,000
out of the clouds

4101
02:39:44,469 --> 02:39:42,720
and came down and creatures living

4102
02:39:47,830 --> 02:39:44,479
creatures came out of them

4103
02:39:49,349 --> 02:39:47,840
well why would he call them wheels

4104
02:39:51,670 --> 02:39:49,359
he wouldn't have said that they were

4105
02:39:54,150 --> 02:39:51,680
saucers they weren't flying saucers

4106
02:39:56,469 --> 02:39:54,160
that's our terminology that's that's

4107
02:39:59,830 --> 02:39:56,479
that's the thing we've put together

4108
02:40:03,030 --> 02:39:59,840
so people back then or in any time

4109
02:40:06,150 --> 02:40:03,040
zone or timeline will will describe

4110
02:40:08,469 --> 02:40:06,160
things with the use of the vernacular or

4111
02:40:10,230 --> 02:40:08,479
the words that they know

4112
02:40:11,670 --> 02:40:10,240
that's why they knew wheels because they

4113
02:40:13,110 --> 02:40:11,680
have wheels on their carts

4114
02:40:15,349 --> 02:40:13,120
so they know that oh this thing came

4115
02:40:17,830 --> 02:40:15,359
down oh those those look like wheels

4116
02:40:18,389 --> 02:40:17,840
we have wheels that's wheels but this

4117
02:40:21,670 --> 02:40:18,399
must be

4118
02:40:25,429 --> 02:40:21,680
gods

4119
02:40:28,950 --> 02:40:28,150
no disclosure has happened it's been

4120
02:40:32,550 --> 02:40:28,960
written about

4121
02:40:34,070 --> 02:40:32,560
for eons that that book that i was

4122
02:40:37,269 --> 02:40:34,080
telling you about the introductory space

4123
02:40:39,830 --> 02:40:37,279
science that the air force academy gave

4124
02:40:40,710 --> 02:40:39,840
to its cadets i've i've got my part of

4125
02:40:47,030 --> 02:40:40,720
the

4126
02:40:48,950 --> 02:40:47,040
mysticism hoaxes

4127
02:40:50,710 --> 02:40:48,960
natural phenomena then they end up with

4128
02:40:51,750 --> 02:40:50,720
well now we're down to alien visitors

4129
02:40:54,630 --> 02:40:51,760
and it says

4130
02:40:55,750 --> 02:40:54,640
and i quote the most stimulating theory

4131
02:40:58,389 --> 02:40:55,760
for us

4132
02:40:59,510 --> 02:40:58,399
is that the ufos are material objects

4133
02:41:03,030 --> 02:40:59,520
which are either

4134
02:41:05,590 --> 02:41:03,040
manned or remote controlled by beings

4135
02:41:06,870 --> 02:41:05,600
who are alien to this planet there is

4136
02:41:09,670 --> 02:41:06,880
some evidence

4137
02:41:10,469 --> 02:41:09,680
supporting this viewpoint and then it

4138
02:41:13,590 --> 02:41:10,479
goes on

4139
02:41:14,309 --> 02:41:13,600
this leaves us with no answer to this

4140
02:41:21,269 --> 02:41:14,319
question

4141
02:41:23,670 --> 02:41:21,279
several ways

4142
02:41:24,710 --> 02:41:23,680
number one we may be the object of

4143
02:41:27,910 --> 02:41:24,720
intense

4144
02:41:28,309 --> 02:41:27,920
sociological and psychological study in

4145
02:41:31,030 --> 02:41:28,319
such

4146
02:41:31,910 --> 02:41:31,040
studies you usually avoid disturbing the

4147
02:41:35,110 --> 02:41:31,920
test subject's

4148
02:41:38,469 --> 02:41:35,120
environment number two you do not

4149
02:41:41,670 --> 02:41:38,479
contact a colony of ants and humans

4150
02:41:44,790 --> 02:41:41,680
may seem that way to any aliens

4151
02:41:48,469 --> 02:41:44,800
variation a zoo is fun to visit but you

4152
02:41:52,790 --> 02:41:51,590
in a textbook oh yeah

4153
02:41:54,710 --> 02:41:52,800
and you know the other thing the other

4154
02:41:55,910 --> 02:41:54,720
thing this is a lengthy chapter about

4155
02:41:59,030 --> 02:41:55,920
this

4156
02:42:01,110 --> 02:41:59,040
discovered when

4157
02:42:03,349 --> 02:42:01,120
all of this stuff is done the chapter is

4158
02:42:05,590 --> 02:42:03,359
over then they have a whole section of

4159
02:42:06,550 --> 02:42:05,600
a couple of pages of references for

4160
02:42:09,190 --> 02:42:06,560
further reading

4161
02:42:10,630 --> 02:42:09,200
our cadets our future military leaders

4162
02:42:12,550 --> 02:42:10,640
okay

4163
02:42:15,349 --> 02:42:12,560
for future reading to help form your own

4164
02:42:19,190 --> 02:42:15,359
opinions here's what we suggest

4165
02:42:22,230 --> 02:42:19,200
remember this was 1968 they suggest

4166
02:42:24,830 --> 02:42:22,240
that the cadets read anything by jacques

4167
02:42:29,910 --> 02:42:28,230
1968 when i called jacques

4168
02:42:31,990 --> 02:42:29,920
and i said jacques have you ever seen

4169
02:42:32,710 --> 02:42:32,000
this this chapter from the air force

4170
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:32,720
academy

4171
02:42:36,790 --> 02:42:34,800
do you know that you're they even talk

4172
02:42:37,910 --> 02:42:36,800
about you in the chapter as well some of

4173
02:42:40,469 --> 02:42:37,920
your research but

4174
02:42:41,030 --> 02:42:40,479
they they they referred to your books he

4175
02:42:43,750 --> 02:42:41,040
said no

4176
02:42:44,870 --> 02:42:43,760
i didn't know that lee can you send that

4177
02:42:48,309 --> 02:42:44,880
to me

4178
02:42:49,750 --> 02:42:48,319
and i sent it to him he he was beside

4179
02:42:52,870 --> 02:42:49,760
himself when he saw this

4180
02:42:55,590 --> 02:42:52,880
he had no idea that the air force was

4181
02:42:57,030 --> 02:42:55,600
was basically quoting him and referring

4182
02:43:00,469 --> 02:42:57,040
him to their cadets

4183
02:43:03,030 --> 02:43:00,479
in 1968. now really

4184
02:43:04,870 --> 02:43:03,040
yes yes yes and i i still think jacques

4185
02:43:05,670 --> 02:43:04,880
is an alien but that's that's my own

4186
02:43:08,710 --> 02:43:05,680
opinion

4187
02:43:12,550 --> 02:43:08,720
but um and he knows something i have

4188
02:43:13,510 --> 02:43:12,560
begged him lee uh to not take it with

4189
02:43:16,950 --> 02:43:13,520
him

4190
02:43:19,510 --> 02:43:16,960
you know you know something i

4191
02:43:20,150 --> 02:43:19,520
we all know that you know you know that

4192
02:43:24,950 --> 02:43:20,160
we know

4193
02:43:28,550 --> 02:43:24,960
take it with you

4194
02:43:30,150 --> 02:43:28,560
um out of that anybody on this planet uh

4195
02:43:32,230 --> 02:43:30,160
that's a civilian i would think that

4196
02:43:35,429 --> 02:43:32,240
jock

4197
02:43:38,790 --> 02:43:35,439
is is is in the know don't you

4198
02:43:41,990 --> 02:43:38,800
i do but i also know that and i respect

4199
02:43:43,830 --> 02:43:42,000
the fact that he's not just an

4200
02:43:46,389 --> 02:43:43,840
astrophysicist astronomer

4201
02:43:47,830 --> 02:43:46,399
an author of many books he's a venture

4202
02:43:50,630 --> 02:43:47,840
capitalist

4203
02:43:52,710 --> 02:43:50,640
and and he he has contacts with through

4204
02:43:57,190 --> 02:43:52,720
so many

4205
02:44:00,550 --> 02:43:57,200
people that are in the know

4206
02:44:03,190 --> 02:44:00,560
and and are pushers on various

4207
02:44:04,550 --> 02:44:03,200
things that can help humanity and i

4208
02:44:08,469 --> 02:44:04,560
think he's very

4209
02:44:11,590 --> 02:44:08,479
very careful not to say the wrong

4210
02:44:14,550 --> 02:44:11,600
thing because he doesn't want to lose

4211
02:44:15,110 --> 02:44:14,560
that that that part of what he does it's

4212
02:44:19,590 --> 02:44:15,120
like

4213
02:44:22,150 --> 02:44:19,600
can you imagine if any scientist

4214
02:44:23,590 --> 02:44:22,160
who's associated with the seti project

4215
02:44:24,550 --> 02:44:23,600
the search for extraterrestrial

4216
02:44:27,510 --> 02:44:24,560
intelligence

4217
02:44:30,150 --> 02:44:27,520
if any one of those scientists would

4218
02:44:32,790 --> 02:44:30,160
ever make a statement

4219
02:44:34,630 --> 02:44:32,800
to the effect of well yes we know a lot

4220
02:44:35,990 --> 02:44:34,640
of people are reporting ufos

4221
02:44:38,309 --> 02:44:36,000
and we've been trying to explain them

4222
02:44:40,150 --> 02:44:38,319
for a long time but but there doesn't

4223
02:44:40,790 --> 02:44:40,160
seem to be any kind of evidence that

4224
02:44:42,790 --> 02:44:40,800
anything

4225
02:44:43,990 --> 02:44:42,800
of any scientific interest is going on

4226
02:44:45,750 --> 02:44:44,000
here so

4227
02:44:47,990 --> 02:44:45,760
we we'd really prefer not to talk about

4228
02:44:51,110 --> 02:44:48,000
it this is their stance

4229
02:44:52,150 --> 02:44:51,120
because they know if they go any further

4230
02:44:54,710 --> 02:44:52,160
than that

4231
02:44:55,830 --> 02:44:54,720
to even give a hint that they might

4232
02:44:57,429 --> 02:44:55,840
think that there's really something

4233
02:44:59,990 --> 02:44:57,439
going on

4234
02:45:00,870 --> 02:45:00,000
where does their funding continue from

4235
02:45:03,750 --> 02:45:00,880
it's it's gone

4236
02:45:04,790 --> 02:45:03,760
it ends because all their money is going

4237
02:45:09,429 --> 02:45:04,800
into finding

4238
02:45:11,030 --> 02:45:09,439
one little cosmic needle in a haystack

4239
02:45:13,830 --> 02:45:11,040
okay okay that's what they're looking

4240
02:45:14,790 --> 02:45:13,840
for we we need to build another arecibo

4241
02:45:17,910 --> 02:45:14,800
telescope

4242
02:45:20,309 --> 02:45:17,920
and and try and and and connect

4243
02:45:22,630 --> 02:45:20,319
and have a have a conversation with

4244
02:45:24,950 --> 02:45:22,640
someone we want to say hi to someone

4245
02:45:26,950 --> 02:45:24,960
or we want to we want to find a signal

4246
02:45:30,550 --> 02:45:26,960
where someone's trying to say hi to us

4247
02:45:33,110 --> 02:45:30,560
and so if we find this wow signal

4248
02:45:34,389 --> 02:45:33,120
then we'll have to figure out how do we

4249
02:45:36,790 --> 02:45:34,399
respond so we can say

4250
02:45:38,309 --> 02:45:36,800
hi back to them and what they don't like

4251
02:45:41,590 --> 02:45:38,319
to tell the people the public

4252
02:45:42,630 --> 02:45:41,600
is this could take 30 40 years because

4253
02:45:45,429 --> 02:45:42,640
of the distances

4254
02:45:45,830 --> 02:45:45,439
just to say hi on the high back to you i

4255
02:45:47,510 --> 02:45:45,840
mean

4256
02:45:48,710 --> 02:45:47,520
the public doesn't want to hear that

4257
02:45:49,830 --> 02:45:48,720
they don't want to know that money's

4258
02:45:51,429 --> 02:45:49,840
being spent on that

4259
02:45:53,110 --> 02:45:51,439
because they're landing in people's

4260
02:45:57,429 --> 02:45:53,120
backyards right right

4261
02:46:00,150 --> 02:45:57,439
right right i am uh it's so true

4262
02:46:01,910 --> 02:46:00,160
i was um i was introducing jacques at a

4263
02:46:04,230 --> 02:46:01,920
conference and we're alone

4264
02:46:05,830 --> 02:46:04,240
backstage it's just the two of us right

4265
02:46:08,150 --> 02:46:05,840
yeah and so

4266
02:46:10,070 --> 02:46:08,160
uh we're there for about 15 minutes and

4267
02:46:10,790 --> 02:46:10,080
you know having a chat and things it's

4268
02:46:13,910 --> 02:46:10,800
all good

4269
02:46:16,790 --> 02:46:13,920
but i go okay jacques

4270
02:46:18,469 --> 02:46:16,800
we're all alone man give me a little

4271
02:46:20,950 --> 02:46:18,479
something something

4272
02:46:21,510 --> 02:46:20,960
give me a secret and he's looking down

4273
02:46:25,990 --> 02:46:21,520
at me

4274
02:46:27,349 --> 02:46:26,000
and he just grins and there's this pause

4275
02:46:29,510 --> 02:46:27,359
i'm like okay all right i'm gonna go

4276
02:46:32,550 --> 02:46:29,520
introduce you man

4277
02:46:33,750 --> 02:46:32,560
i couldn't it was it was hilarious the

4278
02:46:36,870 --> 02:46:33,760
grin

4279
02:46:38,550 --> 02:46:36,880
and uh i've tried so hard now um

4280
02:46:41,349 --> 02:46:38,560
but here's here's the next question

4281
02:46:44,710 --> 02:46:41,359
probably uh just as important

4282
02:46:48,389 --> 02:46:44,720
which is right now there are

4283
02:46:51,349 --> 02:46:48,399
forces out there and individuals

4284
02:46:52,550 --> 02:46:51,359
that want the world and the ufo

4285
02:46:55,030 --> 02:46:52,560
community

4286
02:46:56,230 --> 02:46:55,040
to think that the pentagon is their

4287
02:46:58,309 --> 02:46:56,240
friend

4288
02:47:00,389 --> 02:46:58,319
that right now they're talking that

4289
02:47:03,030 --> 02:47:00,399
right now they're leaking that right now

4290
02:47:06,309 --> 02:47:03,040
they're giving us the stuff

4291
02:47:08,150 --> 02:47:06,319
after how many decades of ridicule right

4292
02:47:10,389 --> 02:47:08,160
and and and things coming out of the

4293
02:47:11,349 --> 02:47:10,399
pentagon is the pentagon our friend

4294
02:47:14,150 --> 02:47:11,359
today

4295
02:47:15,349 --> 02:47:14,160
no i i i don't consider them our friend

4296
02:47:17,990 --> 02:47:15,359
what have they given us

4297
02:47:18,790 --> 02:47:18,000
they've given us they've given us three

4298
02:47:20,790 --> 02:47:18,800
videos

4299
02:47:22,150 --> 02:47:20,800
and one known as a tic tac that doesn't

4300
02:47:26,309 --> 02:47:22,160
prove anything about

4301
02:47:28,950 --> 02:47:26,319
anything they they've given

4302
02:47:29,590 --> 02:47:28,960
permission to have some of their

4303
02:47:32,870 --> 02:47:29,600
officials

4304
02:47:35,590 --> 02:47:32,880
say that yes we we can we can confirm

4305
02:47:36,389 --> 02:47:35,600
that the united states navy has uh on

4306
02:47:38,230 --> 02:47:36,399
occasion

4307
02:47:40,070 --> 02:47:38,240
that their their fighter pilots have

4308
02:47:43,429 --> 02:47:40,080
have had very close encounters

4309
02:47:45,590 --> 02:47:43,439
and and played tag with unknown aircraft

4310
02:47:47,190 --> 02:47:45,600
yeah we'll we'll allow that but we're

4311
02:47:49,190 --> 02:47:47,200
not letting you know what we think those

4312
02:47:51,110 --> 02:47:49,200
things might be

4313
02:47:53,110 --> 02:47:51,120
and and we certainly don't like talking

4314
02:47:55,830 --> 02:47:53,120
about how these things seem to operate

4315
02:47:56,469 --> 02:47:55,840
just as easily underwater as well as in

4316
02:47:58,790 --> 02:47:56,479
the sky

4317
02:47:59,510 --> 02:47:58,800
right okay they don't want to talk about

4318
02:48:02,870 --> 02:47:59,520
that

4319
02:48:05,910 --> 02:48:02,880
no the pentagon again

4320
02:48:09,110 --> 02:48:05,920
the pentagon doesn't have

4321
02:48:09,750 --> 02:48:09,120
any authority over all the other

4322
02:48:11,510 --> 02:48:09,760
countries

4323
02:48:12,950 --> 02:48:11,520
in the world for breaking any kind of

4324
02:48:15,990 --> 02:48:12,960
information like this

4325
02:48:17,110 --> 02:48:16,000
nobody does this this this was one of

4326
02:48:18,870 --> 02:48:17,120
the reasons why

4327
02:48:20,230 --> 02:48:18,880
i tried to do something at the united

4328
02:48:22,870 --> 02:48:20,240
nations because i knew that

4329
02:48:24,469 --> 02:48:22,880
it had to be a united front on all

4330
02:48:27,510 --> 02:48:24,479
countries it couldn't just be

4331
02:48:29,269 --> 02:48:27,520
one leader of one country um

4332
02:48:31,510 --> 02:48:29,279
you know trying to take the bull by the

4333
02:48:33,429 --> 02:48:31,520
horns and that's why nobody was paying

4334
02:48:36,870 --> 02:48:33,439
attention to eric gary

4335
02:48:38,389 --> 02:48:36,880
all those years ago because he he wasn't

4336
02:48:41,510 --> 02:48:38,399
a big player

4337
02:48:44,070 --> 02:48:41,520
but like i said for me in 1978 he

4338
02:48:46,309 --> 02:48:44,080
was the only game in town there wasn't

4339
02:48:49,910 --> 02:48:46,319
anybody else i could go to

4340
02:48:53,349 --> 02:48:49,920
uh to to do what i thought i could do

4341
02:48:55,830 --> 02:48:53,359
uh so i'm not i don't feel bitter

4342
02:48:57,750 --> 02:48:55,840
that that we're not being told more i'm

4343
02:48:58,630 --> 02:48:57,760
i'm not sure that we're ready to hear

4344
02:49:01,670 --> 02:48:58,640
more

4345
02:49:03,269 --> 02:49:01,680
of the truth whatever that truth is

4346
02:49:05,190 --> 02:49:03,279
people don't want to know what's going

4347
02:49:07,429 --> 02:49:05,200
on at this place in utah

4348
02:49:09,670 --> 02:49:07,439
called the skinwalker ranch they don't

4349
02:49:11,750 --> 02:49:09,680
hear about stuff like that

4350
02:49:13,190 --> 02:49:11,760
in in the interview the jacques knight

4351
02:49:17,269 --> 02:49:13,200
the jacques and i did that

4352
02:49:19,429 --> 02:49:17,279
james and i did with senator harry reid

4353
02:49:20,630 --> 02:49:19,439
before the interview started james and i

4354
02:49:21,030 --> 02:49:20,640
were talking oh you know we're going to

4355
02:49:23,510 --> 02:49:21,040
talk

4356
02:49:24,469 --> 02:49:23,520
about this and about that and i said do

4357
02:49:26,790 --> 02:49:24,479
you think

4358
02:49:27,910 --> 02:49:26,800
one of us should bring up skinwalker

4359
02:49:29,429 --> 02:49:27,920
said no i've got

4360
02:49:31,190 --> 02:49:29,439
good enough stuff that we want to follow

4361
02:49:33,910 --> 02:49:31,200
through on let's keep him on

4362
02:49:35,110 --> 02:49:33,920
on point and i said okay no problem so

4363
02:49:37,510 --> 02:49:35,120
we're in the middle

4364
02:49:38,950 --> 02:49:37,520
james is doing most of the interview and

4365
02:49:41,510 --> 02:49:38,960
all of a sudden

4366
02:49:43,510 --> 02:49:41,520
don't know where uh senator reid says

4367
02:49:47,990 --> 02:49:43,520
you know

4368
02:49:50,070 --> 02:49:48,000
there's a place in utah it's a ranch

4369
02:49:51,590 --> 02:49:50,080
and i'm looking at at james and i said

4370
02:49:54,870 --> 02:49:51,600
uh where are we going with this

4371
02:49:57,110 --> 02:49:54,880
door's open and and he didn't

4372
02:49:58,790 --> 02:49:57,120
he didn't say the name of it but we we

4373
02:50:01,830 --> 02:49:58,800
all knew who what he was talking about

4374
02:50:03,110 --> 02:50:01,840
said there's a place in utah where over

4375
02:50:06,230 --> 02:50:03,120
the years

4376
02:50:09,190 --> 02:50:06,240
every form of paranormal activity has

4377
02:50:12,309 --> 02:50:09,200
been reported

4378
02:50:13,990 --> 02:50:12,319
ghost poltergeist animal mutilations

4379
02:50:15,349 --> 02:50:14,000
bigfoot i mean he was just naming this

4380
02:50:18,950 --> 02:50:15,359
stuff and then he said

4381
02:50:19,750 --> 02:50:18,960
and and there are apparently places like

4382
02:50:22,950 --> 02:50:19,760
this

4383
02:50:24,870 --> 02:50:22,960
in other places around the world but but

4384
02:50:27,349 --> 02:50:24,880
don't you think science should be

4385
02:50:30,070 --> 02:50:27,359
studying this he was asking us this now

4386
02:50:31,429 --> 02:50:30,080
this was the former majority leader and

4387
02:50:33,670 --> 02:50:31,439
it's like

4388
02:50:34,469 --> 02:50:33,680
yes of course this should be studied and

4389
02:50:37,030 --> 02:50:34,479
a lot of this

4390
02:50:38,630 --> 02:50:37,040
we didn't save that for the film that's

4391
02:50:40,710 --> 02:50:38,640
all still there we've got

4392
02:50:42,870 --> 02:50:40,720
all that kind of stuff that came out of

4393
02:50:44,469 --> 02:50:42,880
him he he said

4394
02:50:45,910 --> 02:50:44,479
james said do you do you think that our

4395
02:50:47,910 --> 02:50:45,920
government has

4396
02:50:50,070 --> 02:50:47,920
more videos than the three videos that

4397
02:50:52,630 --> 02:50:50,080
have come out already he said

4398
02:50:54,230 --> 02:50:52,640
yes we've got we've got it all we've got

4399
02:50:54,870 --> 02:50:54,240
it all and it's just it's just sitting

4400
02:50:58,230 --> 02:50:54,880
there

4401
02:50:59,429 --> 02:50:58,240
and nothing's being done about it

4402
02:51:02,790 --> 02:50:59,439
what do we do with that kind of

4403
02:51:06,469 --> 02:51:02,800
information do we call him a liar

4404
02:51:09,429 --> 02:51:06,479
i mean how how far does skepticism

4405
02:51:10,710 --> 02:51:09,439
and debunkery go when you're talking to

4406
02:51:13,830 --> 02:51:10,720
a guy

4407
02:51:15,349 --> 02:51:13,840
like senator reid uh

4408
02:51:18,550 --> 02:51:15,359
you know or you hear what what what

4409
02:51:21,910 --> 02:51:18,560
chris mellon former defense official

4410
02:51:24,070 --> 02:51:21,920
how he's talking about these things uh

4411
02:51:25,190 --> 02:51:24,080
as if this really is serious and it is

4412
02:51:27,269 --> 02:51:25,200
serious

4413
02:51:29,910 --> 02:51:27,279
uh everything that's being reported has

4414
02:51:32,550 --> 02:51:29,920
to be reported but it has to be shared

4415
02:51:33,510 --> 02:51:32,560
uh helen heineck was always talking to

4416
02:51:35,349 --> 02:51:33,520
me about how

4417
02:51:37,190 --> 02:51:35,359
even if we could get the united nations

4418
02:51:38,870 --> 02:51:37,200
to let us have a little committee room

4419
02:51:40,870 --> 02:51:38,880
or a little room like an office room

4420
02:51:43,830 --> 02:51:40,880
that's all i was asking for

4421
02:51:45,110 --> 02:51:43,840
the the problem of the international

4422
02:51:46,710 --> 02:51:45,120
translation

4423
02:51:49,030 --> 02:51:46,720
of all the information that would come

4424
02:51:51,429 --> 02:51:49,040
from other countries is enormous

4425
02:51:53,110 --> 02:51:51,439
to who do we get to translate all the

4426
02:51:55,190 --> 02:51:53,120
paperwork that's going to come through

4427
02:51:57,750 --> 02:51:55,200
that's enormous nobody really wanted to

4428
02:52:01,510 --> 02:51:57,760
take up that task

4429
02:52:04,230 --> 02:52:01,520
and so when the

4430
02:52:05,670 --> 02:52:04,240
the community not only the community but

4431
02:52:08,309 --> 02:52:05,680
those around the world

4432
02:52:09,030 --> 02:52:08,319
that are here for these questions

4433
02:52:12,070 --> 02:52:09,040
because

4434
02:52:12,790 --> 02:52:12,080
of an emotional a personal reason an

4435
02:52:14,710 --> 02:52:12,800
encounter

4436
02:52:16,469 --> 02:52:14,720
an experience you know and they're

4437
02:52:19,750 --> 02:52:16,479
looking for answers

4438
02:52:22,469 --> 02:52:19,760
and and right now it seems like

4439
02:52:24,230 --> 02:52:22,479
for the first time to them that we're on

4440
02:52:27,590 --> 02:52:24,240
the brink of something

4441
02:52:30,710 --> 02:52:27,600
where now it's like a tangible

4442
02:52:32,309 --> 02:52:30,720
situation when it comes to ufos for the

4443
02:52:35,110 --> 02:52:32,319
first time in history

4444
02:52:35,910 --> 02:52:35,120
i don't want to see people let down but

4445
02:52:38,950 --> 02:52:35,920
they

4446
02:52:39,750 --> 02:52:38,960
are feeling that something is about to

4447
02:52:44,630 --> 02:52:39,760
break

4448
02:52:46,870 --> 02:52:44,640
because of something out of the

4449
02:52:50,309 --> 02:52:46,880
government's control

4450
02:52:51,830 --> 02:52:50,319
you know it's easy to just say listen

4451
02:52:54,830 --> 02:52:51,840
folks

4452
02:52:56,469 --> 02:52:54,840
if the intelligence behind this

4453
02:52:59,110 --> 02:52:56,479
phenomenon

4454
02:53:01,830 --> 02:52:59,120
is from somewhere else and is beyond

4455
02:53:05,190 --> 02:53:01,840
anything that we know of technologically

4456
02:53:07,830 --> 02:53:05,200
here if they want to be seen

4457
02:53:08,469 --> 02:53:07,840
and reveal themselves who are we to stop

4458
02:53:11,190 --> 02:53:08,479
them

4459
02:53:12,870 --> 02:53:11,200
all they have to do like from war of the

4460
02:53:14,710 --> 02:53:12,880
worlds or independence day

4461
02:53:16,469 --> 02:53:14,720
they can just show up above every major

4462
02:53:19,510 --> 02:53:16,479
city and just say

4463
02:53:22,230 --> 02:53:19,520
yeah we're here get ready

4464
02:53:22,870 --> 02:53:22,240
but they're not doing that they're doing

4465
02:53:25,910 --> 02:53:22,880
things

4466
02:53:29,590 --> 02:53:25,920
more what's the word more

4467
02:53:32,389 --> 02:53:29,600
more slightly it's like spy versus spy

4468
02:53:32,630 --> 02:53:32,399
yeah clandestine yeah yeah clandestine

4469
02:53:38,790 --> 02:53:32,640
it

4470
02:53:39,830 --> 02:53:38,800
and there's nothing any of you can do to

4471
02:53:42,469 --> 02:53:39,840
stop us

4472
02:53:44,790 --> 02:53:42,479
and we're we're interested in how humans

4473
02:53:47,510 --> 02:53:44,800
are reacting to what we do here

4474
02:53:48,710 --> 02:53:47,520
the uh oh yeah did i just interrupt lee

4475
02:53:51,670 --> 02:53:48,720
spiegel

4476
02:53:52,389 --> 02:53:51,680
did i just interrupt yeah okay good no i

4477
02:53:54,070 --> 02:53:52,399
i always

4478
02:53:56,550 --> 02:53:54,080
prefer that when people do it it gives

4479
02:53:59,190 --> 02:53:56,560
me a moment

4480
02:54:01,590 --> 02:53:59,200
to just take a breath i had uh i had a

4481
02:54:03,910 --> 02:54:01,600
professor avi loeb on the show last week

4482
02:54:04,950 --> 02:54:03,920
and oh good was he good yeah he's great

4483
02:54:08,630 --> 02:54:04,960
and yes

4484
02:54:11,269 --> 02:54:08,640
um uh his new book is unbelievably

4485
02:54:12,710 --> 02:54:11,279
uh uh great and revealing it's called

4486
02:54:16,469 --> 02:54:12,720
extraterrestrial

4487
02:54:20,150 --> 02:54:16,479
and he's another example lee

4488
02:54:20,870 --> 02:54:20,160
of what is out in front of the public we

4489
02:54:23,269 --> 02:54:20,880
have

4490
02:54:24,790 --> 02:54:23,279
a professor from harvard talking about

4491
02:54:27,030 --> 02:54:24,800
omua

4492
02:54:28,230 --> 02:54:27,040
we've got these videos we've got pilots

4493
02:54:31,349 --> 02:54:28,240
on record we have

4494
02:54:33,590 --> 02:54:31,359
marco rubio we've got all the television

4495
02:54:34,630 --> 02:54:33,600
programming we've got exoplanets being

4496
02:54:37,269 --> 02:54:34,640
discovered we've got

4497
02:54:38,790 --> 02:54:37,279
fast radio bursts it's like aliens

4498
02:54:41,750 --> 02:54:38,800
aliens aliens

4499
02:54:42,790 --> 02:54:41,760
every single day now it's incredible

4500
02:54:46,070 --> 02:54:42,800
isn't it

4501
02:54:48,389 --> 02:54:46,080
it is it is and i i interviewed uh

4502
02:54:50,150 --> 02:54:48,399
professor loeb maybe six or seven years

4503
02:54:51,269 --> 02:54:50,160
ago for a huffington post story because

4504
02:54:52,590 --> 02:54:51,279
he had just come out

4505
02:54:55,030 --> 02:54:52,600
with a theory about how

4506
02:54:57,750 --> 02:54:55,040
extraterrestrials could be using

4507
02:54:59,830 --> 02:54:57,760
gigantic light sails to propel

4508
02:55:02,389 --> 02:54:59,840
themselves in and out of wormholes

4509
02:55:04,070 --> 02:55:02,399
and and around the cosmos and and he

4510
02:55:07,670 --> 02:55:04,080
came under a lot of

4511
02:55:10,550 --> 02:55:07,680
heavy heavy stuff because of that uh

4512
02:55:11,510 --> 02:55:10,560
it it's like if it comes down to that

4513
02:55:13,990 --> 02:55:11,520
the same thing

4514
02:55:15,510 --> 02:55:14,000
what scientist who's still associated

4515
02:55:18,150 --> 02:55:15,520
with the university

4516
02:55:18,630 --> 02:55:18,160
wants to go out on a limb and and say

4517
02:55:21,030 --> 02:55:18,640
things

4518
02:55:21,830 --> 02:55:21,040
like this knowing that their tenure

4519
02:55:24,870 --> 02:55:21,840
could end

4520
02:55:26,950 --> 02:55:24,880
much rather

4521
02:55:28,469 --> 02:55:26,960
keep it under wraps and write a book and

4522
02:55:31,670 --> 02:55:28,479
maybe do a paper

4523
02:55:34,230 --> 02:55:31,680
and and not go over the edge

4524
02:55:35,110 --> 02:55:34,240
which which is what these theories are

4525
02:55:37,110 --> 02:55:35,120
all about

4526
02:55:39,510 --> 02:55:37,120
it's it's really tough i'd rather hear

4527
02:55:42,870 --> 02:55:39,520
someone like like michiokaku

4528
02:55:44,710 --> 02:55:42,880
uh come on and he won't he won't

4529
02:55:46,230 --> 02:55:44,720
necessarily say yes i think we're being

4530
02:55:48,230 --> 02:55:46,240
visited uh

4531
02:55:49,429 --> 02:55:48,240
but then you'll get someone like neil

4532
02:55:51,590 --> 02:55:49,439
degrasse tyson

4533
02:55:53,510 --> 02:55:51,600
there's another example you know he's

4534
02:55:55,990 --> 02:55:53,520
like the people's astronomer now

4535
02:55:56,790 --> 02:55:56,000
the way carl sagan was but but do you

4536
02:55:58,710 --> 02:55:56,800
ever hear him

4537
02:56:00,230 --> 02:55:58,720
say it's possible that we're being

4538
02:56:03,670 --> 02:56:00,240
visited oh god no

4539
02:56:07,190 --> 02:56:03,680
no no no no no way i can't say that

4540
02:56:10,230 --> 02:56:07,200
yeah i know man so we have to live

4541
02:56:13,990 --> 02:56:10,240
with that attitude and

4542
02:56:16,150 --> 02:56:14,000
and i've come to accept that uh

4543
02:56:17,510 --> 02:56:16,160
i i don't i don't know what else that i

4544
02:56:18,950 --> 02:56:17,520
can do except maybe

4545
02:56:20,710 --> 02:56:18,960
get friendly with someone in other

4546
02:56:22,870 --> 02:56:20,720
countries and see if there's another

4547
02:56:25,030 --> 02:56:22,880
shot at doing the united nations again

4548
02:56:25,990 --> 02:56:25,040
uh i don't know i you know the the

4549
02:56:28,550 --> 02:56:26,000
upshot of what we did

4550
02:56:30,469 --> 02:56:28,560
in 1978 was there were some countries

4551
02:56:33,269 --> 02:56:30,479
that were interested in exploring

4552
02:56:35,349 --> 02:56:33,279
a committee but in the end the then

4553
02:56:38,710 --> 02:56:35,359
soviet union and america

4554
02:56:41,269 --> 02:56:38,720
together uh they vetoed the resolution

4555
02:56:41,990 --> 02:56:41,279
so it didn't die forever all the

4556
02:56:44,150 --> 02:56:42,000
paperwork

4557
02:56:45,030 --> 02:56:44,160
is still there so anybody could pick it

4558
02:56:46,150 --> 02:56:45,040
up again and say

4559
02:56:48,790 --> 02:56:46,160
well now we're going to take this

4560
02:56:51,429 --> 02:56:48,800
resolution and bring it back to life

4561
02:56:51,830 --> 02:56:51,439
but no one has done that yet it but it

4562
02:56:54,950 --> 02:56:51,840
still

4563
02:56:56,389 --> 02:56:54,960
could happen but but to to what end

4564
02:56:58,309 --> 02:56:56,399
to what degree what's going to happen if

4565
02:57:01,429 --> 02:56:58,319
we do another presentation

4566
02:57:03,670 --> 02:57:01,439
uh well you bring up you brought up

4567
02:57:05,670 --> 02:57:03,680
in the short time we have left we just

4568
02:57:07,750 --> 02:57:05,680
have a few minutes lee but

4569
02:57:09,670 --> 02:57:07,760
you brought up the the one of the best

4570
02:57:12,230 --> 02:57:09,680
arguments which is

4571
02:57:12,950 --> 02:57:12,240
uh science you know like skinwalker and

4572
02:57:15,990 --> 02:57:12,960
harry reid

4573
02:57:17,590 --> 02:57:16,000
science needs to get behind some of this

4574
02:57:18,550 --> 02:57:17,600
phenomenon and trying to figure out

4575
02:57:21,750 --> 02:57:18,560
what's going on

4576
02:57:22,230 --> 02:57:21,760
and that was the exact point that avi

4577
02:57:24,790 --> 02:57:22,240
loeb

4578
02:57:26,070 --> 02:57:24,800
last week brought up over and over again

4579
02:57:29,030 --> 02:57:26,080
when i asked him

4580
02:57:30,790 --> 02:57:29,040
about the existence of ets he said it's

4581
02:57:34,309 --> 02:57:30,800
not really about that

4582
02:57:36,150 --> 02:57:34,319
it's that i look at the data i don't

4583
02:57:38,309 --> 02:57:36,160
think that it's an et because it looks

4584
02:57:40,790 --> 02:57:38,319
like it i'm looking at

4585
02:57:42,630 --> 02:57:40,800
the data and that's what physicists and

4586
02:57:44,950 --> 02:57:42,640
astronomers need to do

4587
02:57:46,150 --> 02:57:44,960
you need to just look at the data and

4588
02:57:49,910 --> 02:57:46,160
what does the data

4589
02:57:50,230 --> 02:57:49,920
say to you that is what science is about

4590
02:57:54,309 --> 02:57:50,240
and

4591
02:57:55,910 --> 02:57:54,319
avi um uh will uh i think will continue

4592
02:57:58,950 --> 02:57:55,920
to fight the criticism

4593
02:58:00,870 --> 02:57:58,960
because his point is and continues to be

4594
02:58:02,150 --> 02:58:00,880
i'm just looking at the data this is

4595
02:58:04,950 --> 02:58:02,160
what the data says

4596
02:58:06,630 --> 02:58:04,960
and we we need more of that lee that's

4597
02:58:07,830 --> 02:58:06,640
what gary nolan and jacques valet have

4598
02:58:09,590 --> 02:58:07,840
been saying about the uh

4599
02:58:11,750 --> 02:58:09,600
the meta materials they're just looking

4600
02:58:13,190 --> 02:58:11,760
at the data what does this multi-million

4601
02:58:14,150 --> 02:58:13,200
dollar piece of equipment that they've

4602
02:58:16,469 --> 02:58:14,160
put together

4603
02:58:18,309 --> 02:58:16,479
what is it telling them what information

4604
02:58:20,469 --> 02:58:18,319
is it telling them

4605
02:58:22,630 --> 02:58:20,479
so if if they've discovered that this

4606
02:58:25,590 --> 02:58:22,640
particular fragment of something

4607
02:58:27,349 --> 02:58:25,600
has more isotopes or elements than

4608
02:58:30,389 --> 02:58:27,359
anything else we've got here on earth

4609
02:58:32,870 --> 02:58:30,399
well then if that means that

4610
02:58:35,030 --> 02:58:32,880
it was manufactured somewhere else off

4611
02:58:37,990 --> 02:58:35,040
earth

4612
02:58:38,710 --> 02:58:38,000
what else can we do deduct or deduce

4613
02:58:40,469 --> 02:58:38,720
from that

4614
02:58:42,870 --> 02:58:40,479
does anyone want to go any further and

4615
02:58:46,710 --> 02:58:42,880
say it must be extraterrestrial

4616
02:58:50,150 --> 02:58:46,720
nobody nobody nobody wants to to do that

4617
02:58:52,950 --> 02:58:50,160
there is this stigma and

4618
02:58:53,830 --> 02:58:52,960
and it's going to be here for a while i

4619
02:58:55,349 --> 02:58:53,840
accept that

4620
02:58:57,349 --> 02:58:55,359
but i don't think that it's going we're

4621
02:58:59,670 --> 02:58:57,359
not going to see the kind of disclosure

4622
02:59:01,190 --> 02:58:59,680
that people want i don't think we'll see

4623
02:59:03,510 --> 02:59:01,200
it in my lifetime

4624
02:59:04,710 --> 02:59:03,520
or yours maybe it's it's not we're not

4625
02:59:07,349 --> 02:59:04,720
ready for it

4626
02:59:09,269 --> 02:59:07,359
lee how can everybody reach out to you

4627
02:59:11,910 --> 02:59:09,279
are you on twitter

4628
02:59:13,510 --> 02:59:11,920
uh i am yes uh they can just find me on

4629
02:59:16,550 --> 02:59:13,520
the twitter leasebeagle or

4630
02:59:17,750 --> 02:59:16,560
facebook lee spiegel i'm there i'm easy

4631
02:59:21,030 --> 02:59:17,760
to find

4632
02:59:23,349 --> 02:59:21,040
and your radio show is on thursdays uh

4633
02:59:24,630 --> 02:59:23,359
thursday night this week you said john

4634
02:59:25,910 --> 02:59:24,640
greenwald

4635
02:59:28,389 --> 02:59:25,920
yeah john's going to come on and we're

4636
02:59:29,269 --> 02:59:28,399
going to get into intermediate materials

4637
02:59:31,830 --> 02:59:29,279
and find out what

4638
02:59:33,510 --> 02:59:31,840
what is this debate about who's telling

4639
02:59:37,590 --> 02:59:33,520
the truth who's lying

4640
02:59:39,429 --> 02:59:37,600
uh who should be put in jail for lying

4641
02:59:41,030 --> 02:59:39,439
you know i don't i don't want to name

4642
02:59:43,990 --> 02:59:41,040
names because

4643
02:59:45,269 --> 02:59:44,000
i'd like to keep being on the radio uh i

4644
02:59:46,070 --> 02:59:45,279
i don't i don't want to go through the

4645
02:59:55,590 --> 02:59:46,080
the

4646
02:59:57,990 --> 02:59:55,600
i i don't need that in my life lee thank

4647
02:59:59,269 --> 02:59:58,000
you so much and our community thanks you

4648
03:00:02,389 --> 02:59:59,279
i thank you

4649
03:00:03,030 --> 03:00:02,399
you've been at this for a very very long

4650
03:00:04,630 --> 03:00:03,040
time

4651
03:00:06,870 --> 03:00:04,640
you've been rolling that rock uphill

4652
03:00:10,070 --> 03:00:06,880
don't stop my friend thank you so much

4653
03:00:12,950 --> 03:00:10,080
thank you lee spiegel we just went

4654
03:00:14,389 --> 03:00:12,960
pulled a poll i am out of time i've got

4655
03:00:16,550 --> 03:00:14,399
10 seconds left

4656
03:00:18,309 --> 03:00:16,560
so i am going to get straight to credits

4657
03:00:21,670 --> 03:00:18,319
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03:00:24,750 --> 03:00:21,680
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03:00:26,150 --> 03:00:24,760
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03:01:05,590 --> 03:01:04,399
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03:01:09,590 --> 03:01:07,520
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03:01:12,630 --> 03:01:09,600
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03:01:21,160 --> 03:01:12,640
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